<p>Well, gents, I'd say y'all have much better chances than I do. I still can't find a freaking topic, and we are t-minus 2 months.</p>
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<p>I completely disagree. I went to ISEF with my two partners and we worked well together. We all complemented each other.</p>
<p>And Sagar, I'll take a look if you want. Email me @ mborohovski AT mit DOT edu.</p>
<p>i sort of dont get it...
intel offers to competitions: one with a $100,000 first prize, and ISEF with only about $3000, if i'm not mistaken...
and..mm....why is ISEF worth more than the other one?
(i dont mean that money should decide everything, but still...for me, to get 100k should be harder, and worth more, than 3k)</p>
<p>ISEF is open to rising juniors, the intel competition isn't.</p>
<p>so? i still dont get why is it so special
lol</p>
<p>the projects at isef tend to be a load of nuts</p>
<p>ISEF is the top high school science fair. Intel STS is a competition only for seniors. The biggest prize at ISEF is 50,000. The Top 3 people get that, so I think that is indeed pretty special.</p>
<p>ISEF is thought to have slightly less prestige than Intel STS or Siemens, but it's a very different competition.</p>
<p>Siemens looks solely at your paper and grades you on the basis of that. Nothing else.</p>
<p>Intel STS, in my opinion, SHOULD be a less worthy competition but isn't. I like Siemens a lot more. The reason is that while Siemens looks at the sheer value and importance of your research, Intel STS also looks at your grades, essays they have you write, awards/ec's, etc. I've seen people who deserved to win STS get nothing because of low grades and then win Siemens (Semi, in this case, but that's besides the point).</p>
<p>ISEF is a science fair. Remember those science fair projects you did in fifth grade? These are similar. Here, you are judged mainly on your presentation of your research as well as the value of the research itself. The paper counts, but not as much.</p>
<p>oooow...
so, STS IS more prestige than ISEF?
then why do ppl say, that an ISEF award means you're automatically in caltech or mit, but STS does not?</p>
<p>Because you have to be rising senior to apply to STS, and results come out in the spring. And I very highly doubt that an ISEF award means you're automatically in Caltech or MIT.</p>
<p>Hriundeli: STS is viewed as more prestigious (I think, don't quote me on that). Neither is a shoo-in. It helps, sure, but it's not a definite acception (is that a word? :p).</p>
<p>he-he
all right</p>
<p>i just cant find the post when someone wrote that stuff about "definite accesption"
maybe it was just a joke lol
nm
ty all</p>
<p>Siemens Semifinalist will count about as much as USAMO qualification, for MIT admissions. Neither is an automatic in, but they are both strong hooks. If you have both USAMO (especially multiple years) and Siemens, then I would be very surprised if you were rejected.</p>
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<p>Well put River Phoenix. I have heard of USAMO qualifiers being rejected.</p>
<p>River Phoenix, there was one MOSPer on CC who was waitlisted from MIT, and there were some other USAMO qualifiers who were rejected.</p>
<p>What's your point?</p>