<p>All you have to do is go to whatever is the most affluent area or suburb of your part of the country. The parents who are able to send their kids to Harvard or Stanford or Penn or Princeton without worry, who are able to provide them with all the opportunities in the world, who are able to finance private schools or excellent public schools, extracurricular opportunities, life-changing vacations, and so forth.
Are all of those parents graduates of Top 20 schools? Of course not. And their lives aren’t “screwed” in any way, shape or form.</p>
<p>I guess Slipper has not seen the new list of top firms to work for. Seems Deloitte is #1</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.businessweek.com/careers/content/sep2007/ca20070913_595536.htm?chan=careers_special+report+--+best+places+to+launch+a+career_best+places+to+launch+a+career[/url]”>http://www.businessweek.com/careers/content/sep2007/ca20070913_595536.htm?chan=careers_special+report+--+best+places+to+launch+a+career_best+places+to+launch+a+career</a></p>
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Actually, I think the concept hardest to grasp is that Berkeley is composed of more than Haas, engineering, and chemistry. </p>
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When you don’t allow students into a program until they’ve met prerequisites with certain grades, one would assume that the program only selects the best of the best. What about Berkeley as a whole? ;)</p>
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I wouldn’t say that. Most of the top LACs have a good number of international students. In any case, it’s hard to draw conclusions like that. When I was in Cyprus this summer, Davidson was one of the few colleges people had heard of! :rolleyes:</p>
<p>–what do they call the student who is last in his or her medical school class?</p>
<p>Doctor.</p>
<p>Barrons, </p>
<p>Deloitte is a second tier firm. McKinsey might not be the best place to work in terms of lifestyle, but its irrelevant because its going to put you in a far better situation down the road.</p>
<p>Ultra Cali, wages have little importance at the elite level. In fact the top firms often pay less because they know they can AND they still get students choosing them hand over feet over higher paying jobs. I had a friend take a $25K haircut to work at a better firm. Now he’s making much more than most doctors at age 25. </p>
<p>The truth is the most prestigious employers are national in nature or east coast based. Dartmouth, Columbia, et al do better than places such as Haas at getting the best jobs. Plus you don’t have to put up with a pre-professional environment to boot. Seems like a win-win.</p>
<p>pizzagirl makes an good point. I find it interesting to see my friends, fellow parents, who are quite successful and who went to no-name colleges, who are now pushing to get their kids into Ivy.</p>
<p>I guess the boy named Sue would not name his son Sue. +</p>
<p>+unless S wanted to go to a school that is ranked nationally in “alternative lifestyles are accepted”. :)</p>
<p>Whoever came up with that ludicrous statement is seriously disturbed. But, to answer your question, I think your life will turn out fine if you go to a school that fits you, and not what fits well to US News.</p>
<p>What are you talking about? You can’t stereotype Asians like that. As far as I know, 1 in 3 humans are into prestige… Most people are, in one way or another. You can’t single out Asians and look down on the race between they’re into prestige.</p>
<p>define screwed!</p>
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<p>Wow! And I thought John Edwards’s $400 haircut was extravagant…</p>
<p>“But I still believe that in some professions, especially government jobs, “where you went to college” matters expecially in a job where most people don’t have to attend grad school. Like working for the CIA and the FBI where they only hire the smartest of the smartest. They will never hire anyone from a community college over someone from a university because it would endanger the safety of the nation.”</p>
<p>Huh??? </p>
<p>I agree that they may not hire someone from a community college over someone from a university" because the university graduate has more education (especially in light of the fact community colleges mostly teach foundation/gen ed type courses vs. the last 2 years at universities where students get more specialized instruction. BUT, for the most part, people without graduate degrees don’t get jobs at the CIA or State (don’t know about the FBI) - again, because of greater, more specialized education not because of security issues.</p>
<p>And like most of the posters, I find the original statement to be ludicris. But maybe I find it ludicris because my undergrad was not at a top-20 (I think it’s currently in the 40s) but maybe I’ve been saved because I went to grad school at a top 20!! </p>
<p>Yikes!</p>
<p>Slipper–in your opinion. Businessweek disagrees. Your east coast centric mentality is ridiculous.</p>
<p>If this is true, then there are a LOT of screwed people in the world…</p>
<p>^ Yeah, like 6.7 billion.</p>
<p>Question aimed at Chinese people:</p>
<p>If a white HYP graduate went to China or Japan or Korea to look for work, would s/he immediately get the job? Or would there be discrimination or something like that? (Don’t kill me here! lol i’m not being offensive, just wondering.)</p>
<p>i don’t know about work, but if Asian girls in Asia are like Asian girls in the US, then that guy’s getting lucky.</p>
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<p>There are so many things wrong with this post, where do you begin…</p>
<p>First, China is China. Japan is Japan. Korea is Korea. They are in fact three very distinct countries, with distinct cultures and distinct languages. Which begs the question why you are asking “Chinese people” about Japan and Korea.</p>
<p>Next. Just because you went to HYP doesn’t matter if you don’t “fit” into a company’s culture, role, etc. For instance, if you don’t speak Japanese, good luck finding work there regardless of how many degrees you have… the exception would be for English teachers and very, very high-level / extremely skilled positions (“C”-Level executive positions - CEO / CFO, etc.)… I mean you step off of the plane in Tokyo or Seoul, wave your Harvard degree around and have a high paying job by lunch time. </p>
<p>I am beginning to believe that recent poll cited at the Miss Teen Pageant stating that 1/5th of all Americans cannot find the US on a map.</p>
<p>This is all bullcrap. No quality of education can compensate for real intelligence and ingenuity.</p>
<p>No - get a good GPA in any semi-respectable college, get good standardized test scores for grad school admissions, be active in college life, you’ll get into a top law/med/business/grad school, and that will be much more important than going into top x undergrad.</p>
<p>Still, being able to say “A.B. from Harvard” has incredible benefits.</p>
<p>If you don’t get into a top-twenty school that was number one on your list, then you’ll be unhappy, but you’re still by no means “screwed”. Get in love with those safeties.</p>