<p>Except that even the non LA/B UC's have exceptional graduate programs compared to the public schools in 40 other states.</p>
<p>Pennsylvania should be one of the lowest. Pitt, PSU, and Temple are technically "state-related," not public. They all receive under 10% of their total funding from the state. The best actual "public" school in Pitt is up for debate, but none of them are near the level of those three.</p>
<p>How great CA schools may or may not be is still not the point. People don't know what they don't know. And there's a lot of people that don't know the UC schools. They are not familiar with them, and thus, do not share the same opinion of their greatness. That doesn't mean they aren't great, just that there's a lot of people who really don't know at all how great they are.<br>
This is not news.</p>
<p>How many public schools in Idaho do you think people have heard of?</p>
<p>And everyone's heard of all the FL public schools... How many MI publics can you name? And MA? Or even TX.</p>
<p>I'd say the average person could only name 2 for every one of those states.</p>
<p>1.Berkeley
1.5 Michigan
2. UVA</p>
<p>The rest.</p>
<p>^beefs, I thought you said Berkeley and UMich were tied in another thread...influenced so quickly? ;)</p>
<p>No, but I think that it's important to be realistic when considering prestige in addition to academic quality. I don't think there's a real difference between Michigan and Berkeley undergrad, but the international reputation that most Berkeley graduate departments have gives it the slight edge.</p>
<p>GlueEater, I agree but people in Idaho, MA, and TX are not claiming to have more "prestigious" public universities so the fact that many are unknown seems irrelevant concerning those states.</p>
<p>It's completely relevant. Do you understand that we are talking about states RELATIVE to each other? Hence, the rankings.</p>
<p>Michigan medicine is way better than Berkeley medicine. Hehe.</p>
<p>Glue, maybe you don't understand. We know how the rankings read. The question was about our subjective views, not about whether we could cite USNWR. And my subjective view is based on what I posted, and I also responded to some assumptions relating to prestige that I don't agree with. If the sum total of your opinion is USNWR, then fine go with that, I'm not debating, just offering a different point of view.</p>
<p>Technically, Berkeley does not have a medical school (at least not on campus), as the UC med school for the region is in San Fransico, about 20 miles away.</p>
<p>If calstates were ranked on a top ____ college list about what numbers would they be around?</p>
<p>Dayton is private, but OSU,OU, MU and Cincinnati is respectable when you consider the Conservatory of Music, DAAP, and a couple more programs that escape my memory now.</p>
<p>The vast majority of Calstates are pretty bad. I'm actually surprised there is anyone in CA without a college education since the cal states are almost guaranteed admissions.</p>
<p>With the exception of Cal Poly SLO and Cal Poly Pomona which have pretty good arch, engineer and CS programs.</p>
<p>California
Virginia
Michigan
Florida
Texas
Georgia
Pennsylvania
Ohio
Massachusetts</p>
<p>Yep there you have it.</p>
<p>the vast majority of the calstates are pretty bad? What are you smoking?</p>
<p>Ok not bad, just not good at all. I mean nothing makes them outright bad. In all honesty CA's second tier public system is probably par with most other states first tier (I don't mean the big states, but smaller states). I've just never considered them good. Since most people I know are passing on them to go to a CC.</p>
<p>My post was in response to FellowCCViewer's post asking where they would be ranked. So in that context they would be very far down.</p>
<p>Just look at how many cal states there are:</p>
<p>California</a> State University | Campus Websites</p>
<p>Of those maybe 5 or 6 are respectable.</p>
<p>there are more than 5 or 6 that are respectable - unless you want to consider only so cal - then you may be correct, but then you also need to count the nor cal counterparts and the schools that have "specialties". So you have actually looked into which campuses?</p>
<ol>
<li>California</li>
<li>Virginia</li>
<li>Michigan</li>
<li>North Carolina</li>
<li>New York</li>
<li>Illinois
7 Florida?</li>
</ol>