<p>would they know you took it 4 times?</p>
<p>i havent taken it 4 times yet haha but im considering taking it in January since three of my top schools will accept January Scores</p>
<p>and any kind of improvement should bump me into the 2300 club</p>
<p>that being said, 4 times is kinda exorbitant, and colleges may frown upon it?</p>
<p>r u doin january SAT</p>
<p>btw u can superscore which many people do and many private schoolls accept</p>
<p>highest sat scores across all dates</p>
<p>its quite awesome/brilliant good luck to u in jan my friend</p>
<p>dude r u a a senior im doing it my 4th or 5th time and final time in jan hahahah cuz i cant cross 1900 so im trying in jan again lol 1900 senior ■■■. have to do in jan now praying for 2000-2200</p>
<p>yea im a senior</p>
<p>im already in the 2200s but i want a 2350</p>
<p>and i can easily do it cus</p>
<p>writing and math are basically guarunteed 800s</p>
<p>all i need is a 750 cr(lol thats all i need)</p>
<p>but i’ll stay with what i have now if taking it 4 times means colleges will know u took it 4 times and somehow use it against you</p>
<p>My college counselor told me that taking the SAT 4 times is not a problem. Most schools super score and only look at your highest score on each section. Good luck.</p>
<p>Some schools don’t allow score choice, but for the schools that do, they won’t know how many times you’ve taken it.</p>
<p>Four times is on the sketchy side. Two to three is average.</p>
<p>Also, statistics show that after your second try generally your scores do not improve. I find it surprising that you are so confident that you can score a 2300+ on this try when on the last three tries you did not score that high.</p>
<p>lol the last TWO times ive been in the 2200s</p>
<p>and like i said, math + writing werent 800s cus of some bs questions that i glossed over</p>
<p>and, not to be making excuses or anything but i had a cold during a test, i took cold medicine so it was like i was under water</p>
<p>woah</p>
<p>Statistics, especially those relating to the SAT, have proven to be wrong. My math score (math for me, maybe CR or W for others) improved drastically with little preparation by 70+ points. Don’t generalize. This is especially true of students who are above the AVERAGE curve of the SAT, i.e. those scoring above 650+ without preparation. The average score of students on the SAT in general is around 480-500 (I believe that is what it was last time I checked) so, yes, for MOST students their scores remain in the range collegeboard provides (which is + or - 30 I think) but there are outliers.</p>
<p>I understand that I seem to be insinuating that people who score 480-500 on the SAT (per section) do not normally improve greater than + or - 30 points because that is EXACTLY what I am UNEQUIVOCALLY saying.</p>
<p>ABC: I don’t agree. The fact remains that these are OUTLIERS. If you look antioray’s scores, he scored less than a 2200 the first time and then 2200+ in the second and third times. If you didn’t notice, he didn’t improve as much from the second to the third time he took it (which goes along with the statistics). </p>
<p>The SAT is a test that is supposed to measure reasoning skills. Sure, these can be improved and the test can be studied for, but making a 200 point difference is crucially hard to attain at the 2100+ level.</p>
<p>Also, you tell me not to generalize yet you generalize the people who score 480-500 on the SAT (per section). </p>
<p>There’s one fact here that you’re forgetting: the people most likely to end up taking the test 3+ times are those who want to go to a decent college and are looking to improve their score. People who score 1500 may want to improve their score, but I highly doubt that they are going to take it more than twice if they are just looking to go to an okay college. I don’t think these people (I don’t mean to generalize or demean them) would go through the trouble of taking it so many times unless they were aiming for top notch colleges. I personally believe the range for those who are retaking as many times as antioray usually have a score from 1800-2100.</p>
<p>I think that the term “outlier” is much less selective then you think. I believe that the % of people who improve more than 50+ points on the SAT is just much higher than you believe. I meant not to generalize statistics. I’m perfectly fine with generalizing a large group of people because if I wasn’t going to do that I might as well disregard statistics all together because that is their precise function (to summarize). We’re talking about test scores, not race/gender/creed/etc. so it is perfectly fine to generalize. (IMO) (I realize this was misleading)</p>
<p>Anyways:</p>
<p>I think that the SAT is a test that can be broken down and STUDIED FOR. IT IS POSSIBLE to anticipate what type of subjects will be covered. The essays prompts can be anticipated (I have done this) and the Writing/Math/CR sections can be manipulated. (in terms of what type of questions are placed where).</p>
<p>My generalization was as follows:</p>
<p>The main bulk of people who take the SAT score within the 480-500 range for each section. (I believe, if not, it is somewhere close to that).</p>
<p>Normally, these people, as collegeboard has assessed, do NOT score higher then + or - 30 points when they retake the SAT. This I agree with.</p>
<p>However, I THINK IT IS WRONG to apply that statistic, which pertains to the BULK of people, to the people who score 650+ on each section.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because these people (from personal experience, mostly. I have no HARD evidence per se), especially those with the access to tutoring, CAN improve their scores by more than 50+ points. (while those who score lower (i.e. 480-500), normally don’t improve their score. This is because of the reasons you listed at the end of your post)</p>
<p>We labeled these people as outliers. However, I think the amount of people who we consider to be “outliers” is quite a large %, so it is misleading to call them outliers.</p>
<p>lol from 1st -> 2nd time i made a 400 point jump</p>
<p>2nd->3rd time, like ali said, was about equal</p>
<p>but all things being fair, i agree with abcdef w/e that the test CAN be studied for</p>
<p>for example, in between the 1st and 2nd takings, I mastered almost all the gramar rules, jumped from 510 to 770 in writing</p>
<p>some more practice (since i first took it in may, i havnt taken ONE practice test. strictly hard memorization of vocab and brief review of grammar rules. and like i said, math and writing are pretty much givens)</p>
<p>so after studying some more vocab and actually doing some practice tests this time around</p>
<p>i can get a 2350 easily, not to be overconfident or anything because there is NOTHING on the test that I do not know</p>
<p>as far as it being a reasoning test, yea i mean passage comprehension is a reasoning skill, but i know how to read a passage and i know how to “reason” with it if that ever gets anywhere</p>
<p>math, yea
writing, barring some crazy surfacing of some stupid rule like “audible vs auditory” or some bizarre preposition that no one has even seen in print, ie “in chary of”, i should be fine</p>
<p>even then, i’d argue that as much as the SAT wants to claim its a “reasoning test,” its still predominantly based on knowledge</p>
<p>sentence completions: if u dont know what a vignette is(which happened to be the correct answer) no amount of context “reasoning” is gonna save you</p>
<p>reading comprehension: “what is the author’s tone towards blah blah?” didactic, flippant, etc. how r u gonna “reason” urself out of that one?</p>
<p>the only math question i got wrong on dec math: a^2 - 2ab -b^2 = (a-b)^2</p>
<p>if u dont recognize it, how r u gonna reason ur way to a correct answer?</p>
<p>so, like i said, barring another bad case of the cold, because of my strong foundation of vocab + writing skills/rules (again, excuse my arrogance) the only direction i could go is up</p>
<p>P.S. no tutoring
i just borrowed a library SAT book from like 2006 lol and read an abridged college dictionary for a while</p>
<p>There is one pertinent fact that you are overlooking; the fact that the people who score 650+ on each section (and also the people who score 2200, like antonioray) and are taking it a third MOST LIKELY prepped for the previous two times. I can reason this because if someone is taking it three times (or four times, in antonioray’s case) it implies that one is determined to improve and thus has probably taken courses/read books that pertain to the SAT. Ask anyone whether they studied after their first try, almost 100% will say yes. </p>
<p>Of course, simply “studying the test” will help your score. But by the second try, the person has already been familiarized to the test (because they took it the first time) and thus this is why Collegeboard and several other sources recommend taking the SAT twice (because the most improvement occurs in that time span). </p>
<p>Also, I know from personal experience that a test can be studied for. I scored a 175 on my PSAT and improved that to a 219 on my Junior PSAT (a 44 point improvement). However, I realize that this was most likely because of the “second test” improvement I talked about before. While I know I can still study some more, I highly doubt that once I get to the SAT and take it 3 or 4 times I can raise my score by 200 points.</p>
<p>Just a quick question antonioray: How confident were you when you decided to take it a third time that you would improve? And if you believed that you wouldn’t improve, then why did you decide to take the test? I know that you can throw the “cold” card out (I had a cold on the day of my PSAT but I don’t consider it a huge factor on my score…) but when I look at your scores I am surprised you can simply say “I will get 800s in both math and writing”. It just seems rather… like overconfidence.</p>
<p>lol sure you can</p>
<p>there is no limit to the size of your vocabulary
similarly, there are prepositions and idioms out there that high school ppl have yet to see</p>
<p>anyways, the hardest portion of the test (for me) is reading comprehension. and that will come with practice</p>
<p>which is something I deprived myself of
but ok, i see what ur saying, that if you take it a 3rd time, u have already studied for it for the 2nd time</p>
<p>that is true but in a different way for me:
i studied minimally(but studied nevertheless) betweeen my 1st and 2nd showings</p>
<p>for my 3rd date with the SAT (december 09), i did almost no studying whatsoever, as I was preoccupied with some other BS and college essays and whatnot</p>
<p>so it would only make sense that I would finish with about the same score, after all, i went into the test barely more -knowledgeable- than i was the day before i took it the 2nd time</p>
<p>however, now that im done with collegeapps and i have nothing else to do, I could devote myself to build upon an already solid foundation</p>
<p>so i dont see any reason why i wouldnt be able to produce something like a 2350</p>
<p>Well I don’t want to put you down… if you are really this confident, then good luck with it.</p>
<p>If a person studies, how much can a 2180 improve? Can it go to 2300 +? 2350+? The 2180 was with minimal studying</p>
<p>If you get 1500/2400 the your first time and don’t study, then next sitting you will likely get between 1450-1550.</p>
<p>However if you get 2200 your first time and don’t study, you will likely get 2100-2300 (note the wider range). I went from 2210 to 2300 w/o studying.</p>
<p>It looks really bad if a top college sees you took it four times (especially with minimal improvement). You might as well put the SAT under your extracurriculars. On the Harvard website, (and I think most top colleges would agree), taking the SAT or ACT more than twice is said to offer diminishing returns.</p>