Illustration major... SVA or PRATT with Presidential Merit Scholarship

<p>My daughter got acceptances from SVA, SAIC and Pratt...</p>

<p>She got around $53,000 for 4 years from SAIC, but when we visited, my daughter felt that she and the school were not a good fit so SAIC was eliminated.</p>

<p>Pratt offered her Presidential Merit Scholarship of $19,000 per year for 4 years, but nothing from SVA...</p>

<p>However, she and I both feel that for her major, SVA is the better choice. We also like the location and the artworks of the current students at SVA much better than the ones from Pratt. But then you cannot ignore the scholarship from Pratt.</p>

<p>Does anyone know if there are any other benefits for being a Presidential Scholarship earner other than the money itself?</p>

<p>I don’t know much about the schools you mention, but one of my daughters was offered the Presidential Scholarship at two schools (full ride at one of them).</p>

<p>To my knowledge, there isn’t any benefit beyond the money offered and being able to put it on one’s resume later. For my daughter (who studied in sciences, not art), the school and the program were the most important factors, as long as it was affordable. She ended up declining both Presidential scholarships and went elsewhere.</p>

<p>@woodwinds, thank you for your input. We have found out after doing some research and asking the grads that what you are saying is mostly true.</p>

<p>@wellwellwell, I recently posted about how my son was awarded a presidential merit scholarship from Pratt back in December, but it was just revoked two weeks ago. They wrote him saying they had made a mistake in calculation, and he was getting zip, zilch, nada. So naturally, we’re not thinking good things about Pratt right now in my house. I’m glad to hear your daughter did not fall prey to this “mistake”, since a total of 180 scholarship recipients did.</p>

<p>Anyway, back when we THOUGHT he was getting money from Pratt, we had the same exact dilemma. SVA or Pratt? (He also got into two art schools in Boston – both with scholarship money – but decided he wants to be in NY – he’s majoring in animation.) I had thought he would choose Pratt because there was more of a campus (there really isn’t any campus to speak of at SVA), and they do have nice animation facilities. But after visiting both schools, he told us he wanted to go to SVA because he thought the student work was much superior to the work he saw at Pratt, and that he thought he could learn more at SVA. </p>

<p>Once the Pratt scholarship evaporated, it became kind of a no-brainer. I think scholarships are harder to get at SVA than other schools – maybe they feel they don’t have to sweeten the pot to attract students because of their reputation in the certain fields? I’m not sure. But the cost for both schools is now about the same for us. </p>

<p>BTW, when we toured SVA we saw a studio space for the selected senior illustration majors, and it was just incredible. The work was so outstanding. </p>

<p>Good luck! </p>

<p>@haveaharp, oh my goodness, what awful thing to have a school offer your child money, and then to take back the offer? And right before decision time? Interesting “mistake” to make.</p>

<p>@haveaharp, wow… How could Pratt do that to your son? It is a very sensitive time already.</p>

<p>Luckily my daughter was leaning more and more towards SVA anyways. Thank you so much for your posting though…</p>

<p>We were at SVA few weeks ago and had a tour of the illustration/animation department and the dorms including the senior studios for the illustration majors you had mentioned. We did like their work also. And my daughter also thought that the artwork produced by Pratt students were not as interesting. :wink: About the dorms, while we were in NYC, she visited her friend at Parsons and saw his dorm, and she thought the dorms at SVA were better fyi. ^^</p>

<p>It’s very probable that she will be attending SVA. Maybe we will bump into each other on Aug 24th. ^^</p>

<p>Hello! First of all, that is absolutely awful of Pratt to do such a thing. I know they have the right and the power to do that, but how could they do that to someone?!
Anyway… I am also considering SVA, but am concerned about the very large number of students attending the school and their for-profit status. What kind of vibes did you feel after visiting the school regarding the topics I just mentioned or other topics? Do students receive more financial aid after the first year? Any other thoughts or information would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! </p>

<p>Hi, all! Nice to hear from you prospective SVA students and parents! </p>

<p>First, about Pratt…yes, it was pretty awful. I was beside myself. You can read about it in the thread I posted here, but at first I wondered if I had done something to “offend” Pratt because I called SVA JUST THE DAY BEFORE Pratt revoked to ask SVA if they had any kind of a matching program for outside scholarships. My son also got scholarship money at the two other schools he applied to – SMFA and Mass Art – so it’s not like we thought it would be unreasonable to ask. He only applied to four schools, got into all four, and three of the four gave him money, so I just called SVA and said, “Your website mentions matching…can you explain how it works?”</p>

<p>The SVA admissions person was super nice, but she did explain that their matching program does not apply to a private school’s scholarships. I suppose if you had an third party scholarship giving you money for school in a certain state or something like that, they would consider a match. But I told her about the Pratt money, and she said, no, there is no match for that. Well, okay, but I did feel it was worth asking. And as I said, she was very nice and helpful and all of that.</p>

<p>The very next day, my son received a two line e-mail from Christopher Paisley in admissions at Pratt telling him there was a “calculation error” and he was not awarded a scholarship at all. Not even less money – NO money. I called and asked for more information, and Christopher Paisley told me that he himself had made the miscalculation on 180 early action acceptances (yes, my son got this award in a personalized hard copy letter before Christmas!) and at least half of those would be getting no money. The other half got reduced awards. Three months later!!</p>

<p>Gee, thanks. But if what he told me is the truth, I guess I can stop worrying that SVA called Pratt and said, “Hey, this kid is looking to play us!” and Pratt said, “Oh, well then let us help you out!” That would just be horrble.</p>

<p>But even before that episode soured us on Pratt, my son had said he was leaning towards SVA because of the student work. He has been taking animation classes since he was 11 and learning a lot on his own and he thought the caliber of work at SVA was something to aspire to, whereas at Pratt he thought the work was good, but not great. (I have to respect his opinion on this, because I can only draw stick figures and know nothing about art.)</p>

<p>Of course, as a mom, I worry about him in an urban setting away from home for the first time – I’m not sure he has much in the way of street smarts – but we went on the SVA tour and he felt no qualms. They don’t have much of a cafeteria to speak of – kind of a cafe type place which is more like a coffee shop – so naturally I’m concerned about what he’ll be eating…but these are the typical “Oh my gosh, my baby’s going to college” kinds of things that I have to get over, I guess. It just seems like there is less coddling at a school like SVA than there would be at a suburban campus with a dining hall and an infirmary and all of that. We do live in the suburbs of NY, so I guess I take some comfort that we are close by if we needed to get to him quickly. </p>

<p>SVA as a for profit school: Well, from what I can tell, that’s more of a tax distinction than anything else, but I honestly don’t know all that much about corporation status and how they differ. I believe the main thing is that they are an accredited school, which they are. Lots of “for profits” are not accredited. Moreover, it has such a great reputation relative to the not for profit institutions. I read up on its history, and it was begun as a trade school in 1947 for returning GIs who wanted to get into advertising (like on “Mad Men”). It was founded by Silas Rhodes (after whom their merit scholarship is named) and Burne Hogarth, who was the illustrator of the “Tarzan” comics. (In fact, I knew of the Hogarth family because they lived in the town I grew up in, and Mrs. Hogarth is a big social activist, so when I think of the Hogarth family, I personally think of protests against Indian Point and for ERA in the 70s, as opposed to heartless profiteers.) Anyway, the for profit status didn’t deter me, but it certainly sounds off putting, doesn’t it? I suppose if the tuition was far above that of the not for profit art schools I would wonder, but the bottom line does seem on a par with RISD, Pratt, SMFA. (Mass Art was a steal! $44g for tuition, plus they offered him $8g. But…he wanted SVA.)</p>

<p>Sorry this post is so long! My son and his dad are going to Accepted Students Day on the 12th. I have to be out west that weekend and will miss it, but I have heard they put on a very good program, so check it out if you can.</p>

<p>@ArtStudent 1995, when my daughter and I visited the school, we also felt “no qualm” at all, especially in illustration/cartoon dept. The film/fine art side may be a little different, but our overall feeling was that. Actually I got this comfortable feeling that she will be okay there. That’s the same feeling that I got when we visited Northwestern where my son is before sending him there. It’s a very different setting for sure, but somehow the same feeling was there. ;)</p>

<p>Also, with the “for-profit” school issue, I had mentioned that to my husband who has been working in finance industry for a long time, and his response was “which college these days isn’t?”. sad but true… Even the non-profit institutions try more than you can imagine to make profit out of what they receive and run the place like a business these days. It’s mostly for tax purposes so we shouldn’t worry too much about it he says. And I do believe what he thinks is true.</p>

<p>To haveaharp: the Pratt mistake happened to my daughter too. She got the presidential scholarship of $24,000 a year back at December. A few weeks ago, she received a letter said the award was reduced to $21,000 due to a calculation error. We felt upset but since Pratt was not our first choice, we just let it go.</p>

<p>Thank you to everyone who helped answer my questions! I truly appreciate it! My heart goes out to all of you affected by Pratt’s mistake! Although I’m sure it makes the decision that much easier! Please comment on how the accepted students day goes or any thoughts regarding it!</p>

<p>@windandsea, I am happy you didn’t feel the full brunt of the mistake – meaning your D got a reduced award instead of rescinded award – just for the sake of your D’s ego. Also very glad she has other options, as did my son. I hope Pratt sharpens their pencils and gets a whole lot more careful next year!</p>

<p>I was in contact with Pratt today it seems like this calculation issue only impacted the EA group. So I though I would share Pratt’s comments as it might put other’s minds (regular decision) at ease:</p>

<p>“Concerning the unfortunate merit scholarship issue that occurred last month, that only affected early-action accepts, so any awards given to regular decision students will not change. We regret that this happened, but it will not be affecting any further accepted students. If you have any additional questions, please let me know!”</p>

<p>Also I asked if all the financial aid packages been mailed yet (as of April 7, 2014) the answer:</p>

<p>“No, they are mailed in large batches, so it may have only been mailed recently and takes up to 2 weeks to arrive. but [they] should be on your way very soon, if not already.”</p>