<p>I go to the university of michigan but have a GTO to ilr. I looked at our career centers stats on law school placement and they were very disheartening. i need a 174 and a 3.97 to be accepted into harvard or yale law. What alarms me is that this WAY Above the average admitted stats of harvard kids which are more like 3.86 and 173.</p>
<p>ALexandre posted recently that you need a 170 and a 3.8 from Cornell for HYS law. and a 3.8 and 165 to be good for columbia law. Can someone post the stats i cant find them anywhere or weigh in on this.</p>
<p>that is really disheartening...I guess ILR is not respected by law schools if they expect you to be waaaayyyy above average to be considered. I was afraid of this. I wonder if they just assume it is on par with SUNY schools...</p>
<p>Awwww, there's no reason that the both of you should be disheartened - it's extremely unlikely that you guys would have 1) scored 99% on the LSAT, and 2) beaten the other 99th percentile scorers to be offered one of 3-4 spots out of 100 for YLS anyways. </p>
<p>Stats from ILR to YLS/HLS (or to any other law school) are NOT monitored or released. To say something like "I guess ILR is not respected by law schools" is just rolling in misinformation and assumptions. You'll want to sort that type of thinking out for the LSAT. </p>
<p>A 3.8 and 170 would be just fine to be "considered" for HLS. Will it get you in? Who known, the question is are you the type of person HLS wants?</p>
<p>if ILR does not keep that information then where did the OP get the statistics (I would like to know so I could check them out), and gomestar, if the ILR grads average stats to get into these schools are more than .1 greater in GPA and a point higher in LSAT's, saying that it is more difficult to get into Columbia and Harvard Law from ILR than average is logical considering that the stats are, in fact, above average.</p>
<p>"if ILR does not keep that information then where did the OP get the statistic"</p>
<p>I'm not sure what information it is - but I'm 100% certain it's not ILR's. It's either UMich's or Cornell's, but it's not ILR's. And just what do you expect for law schools, that Cornell students should be allowed to "slide" in with lower stats than students from any other school??? LOL, get real. </p>
<p>Stringa - I don't think you should come to Cornell. You are HIGHLY concerned about prestige and image, even to the point where you are worried where ILR students hang out on campus or if you'll ever get to take certain classes in certain buildings not near ILR. Students who share your mentality often are very miserable at Cornell, we've seen it on these boards several times.</p>
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<p>Doesn't sound like above average to me.</p>
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<p>Most schools outside of HYPS send few students each year to HYS law schools. There will be large fluctuations in yearly matriculant stats. It may be 3.9/172 one year. 3.7/170 the next. 3.85/169 the next. Professional school admissions depends on the individual, not the school. You're not going to get bonus points by applying from Cornell because most of the applicants to HYS law are from top schools. In other words, going to a prestigious undergrad won't make you stand out.</p>
<p>I think it's out of Cornell's hands. A 3.8/172 from a low-end SUNY could get into HLS. A 3.8/172 from Harvard could easily be rejected. </p>
<p>People stupidly think it's the college that gets you into law school, not the individual. </p>
<p>Norcalguy - i would say congratulations on your med school acceptances so far, but lets be real here and just remember that it's Cornell's name that's taken you far, not your hard work and perseverance.</p>
<p>gomestar: You say that I would probably be miserable at Cornell (I am not arguing by the way, you go there, I do not, so I trust your opinions more than mine), but from my point of view I am just feeling insecure about a decision of mine. While I agree that I am insecure about my decision, I think you are confusing some of my concerns about things such as social life and education with prestige (for example, where the kids hang out question has to do with my concern regarding how restricted I would be to associating with kids from just one school as opposed to meeting people from the other six schools. The classes question had to do specifically with me wondering just how flexible the program was and the ability to take classes and take advantage of the fact that Cornell has so many courses that interest me even outside of ILR. In fact, I think I even asked another question specifically regarding how many free elective I would have. This has nothing to do with image or prestige, just wondering how autonomous and restrictive the schools are.) Is it not normal to question such a big decision?</p>
<p>The choice to be miserable is up to you, it really is. Look at some of the things you've posted on this thread, what are others naturally going to assume based on your statements? </p>
<p>It's natural for students to feel insecure about their college decision, but you seem more prone to listening to other students' rampant opinions rather than taking advice from people who have been there and done that. Norcalguy and I are both very recent Cornell graduates that have gone through the system and have seen many of our friends take every which route out of college (whether it be grad schools, employment, etc.). I get the feeling we could tell you one thing, but one of your friends at school would say something like "well my uncle said this about Cornell" and you would totally deflate in insecurities. </p>
<p>I've been through a lot in college, I've wavered through several career paths, and I've seen dozens upon dozens of my friends and classmates do the same. Here's what I've learned and it's imperative that you take this to heart: it doesn't f-ing matter one bit. Cornell and ILR are as prestigious as they come - it doesn't matter if 9% of Cornell applicants get into law school X while 7% of Harvard grad get in. What you need to focus on is NOT how well ILR places grads into MBA programs nor what employers think of the ILR degree. What you need to do is focus on the college experience: challenge yourself with new and exciting classes, join several clubs and strive for leadership positions, meet new friends from all over the world and develop close relationships with your professors. Forget about law schools or business schools or big wall street jobs - they're 5-6 years away for you, and I can guarantee you that your decision to attend Cornell will not be the reason you get in or are denied from whichever opportunity you pursuit. </p>
<p>I know students like you who just couldn't stop worrying about their college choice, even well into college. They forgot that college is 4 short years of their lives and forgot what it means to have a good time and make the best out of every situation handed to them (and Cornell hands you a ton). I know an art history major who is making triple digits at the most prestigious bank on wall street - what do you think would have happened if she listened to what everybody else tried to spit at her? I suggest you not ask another question on this forum regarding Cornell's image or ability to "place" students into grad schools - people will just fill you up with junk. Focus on being a well rounded student who's very involved in all that Cornell has to offer. This is what employers and grad schools want to see, it doesn't matter if it's from ILR or Stanford. Either that or each and every person I've befriended at Cornell is an exception to the rule...</p>
<p>darkneal- a 174 and a 3.97 does not ensure a HYS law school acceptance to anyone (except maybe HYS grads). and a 3.8 165 LSAT into columbia??? I don't think so. Where are you getting this info from?</p>
<p>The only generalization, I feel comfortable saying is that a 3.8 with a 170 LSAT will probably get you a T-14 acceptance. </p>
<p>your UG experience should not be based solely on what school will give you the best shot at HYS law school admittance . As it has been said many times, the most important indicator is going to be your LSAT score. Will a 169 LSAT from a Harvard UG be viewed more favorably than a 169 LSAT from an ILR grad?? I don't think anyone can give you a definitive answer. It may help the Harvard grad a bit- but I'm not even sure if the 169 will get the Harvard UG into Harvard law. But it will get you a T-14 acceptance.</p>
<p>stringa- you are setting yourself up with too many negatives about Cornell-
That may only lead to uncertainty and dissatisfaction with your choice. I am also going to ask you to look long and hard about the ILR program before you commit yourself.<br>
I'm a parent of a graduating ILR student- so I see your concerns and hesitation from an adult POV.<br>
We had another student a few years back (I will not mention his name) who was unhappy and insecure with his decision to attend Cornell even before he got to campus.
He was filled with such negativity- even before he got to campus, that we all knew that he would be miserable at Cornell. He never had an open mind nor did he give himself the opportunity to take advantage of what Cornell had to offer.
please do not find yourself in that situation.</p>
<p>and as norcal and gomestar have implied--the most important factor in getting into a top law school is YOU. The grades that YOU earned and the LSAT score that YOU got- will be an extremely important factor in admission.
If you get below a 166 LSAT (top 6 %), it is unlikely you'll be going to a T-14 law school, no matter if your UG is HYP or Cornell.</p>