I'm a third year, and I want to answer your questions.

<p>Hey guys!</p>

<p>I'm currently a third year at UChicago, and as finals week is winding down for me, I wanted to offer to answer questions that anyone might have. CC was helpful to me during my college search, and I like to give back. :)</p>

<p>Some info about me:</p>

<p>English major, with a linguistics minor. I've taken several courses in the anthro department as well. My roommate is an econ major, so I see plenty of that - recruiting, etc, if you think my opinion on that would be helpful to you at all. I've gotten a Metcalf fellowship and currently work at the UofC Press. I've done several extracurriculars, including a cappella, teaching at a local elementary school, and a school paper. I'm pretty heavily involved in the creative writing department, as well as CCIA (Chicago Careers in the Arts). I've applied to grants put out by the university, but no word on that yet (keep your fingers crossed for me?). I'm studying abroad in Paris next quarter, in the humanities program, which I'm very excited about. I lived in Snell-Hitchcock my first year and currently live off-campus in an apartment.</p>

<p>The only thing I ask is that you keep in mind that I'm not an admissions counselor, and I won't feel comfortable answering questions that should be asked of an admissions counselor.</p>

<p>Is it windy there? </p>

<p>Are the RAs cool and let you do what you want?</p>

<p>Hi esopha, it’s so nice of you to volunteer to answer questions from prospies! :)</p>

<p>Here are a few things I’d like to ask:</p>

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<li><p>Does the Core limit the student’s opportunities to take non-major classes that he or she is truly interested in due to the highly structured prescriptions of the Core (not included in the list of Core courses/A, B, C, or D + E, F, G, or H courses in the same subject so that a student can’t choose A and B or G and H)?</p></li>
<li><p>What proportion of the courses are taught by real professors and TAs respectively? (esp. Econ, Math, History, Philosophy)</p></li>
<li><p>How nerdy/geeky are students at UChicago? Are intellectual discussions outside of classes actually common/prevalent?</p></li>
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<p>Thanks! :)</p>

<p>Thank you so much for volunteering to answer our questions.
The University of Chicago is my dream school, I really like the atmosphere there, and I think people there are really creative and open. Moreover I think Uchicago has got basically everything I want for an after-school college life ---- the great city of Chicago to explore, the cultural atmosphere with a lot of extra-curriculum activities going on like art exhibitions and dramas and the Rockefeller Organ, etc… moreover it has a great press(I have a copy of Uchicago Magazine and I love it), plus I have been a student reporter for three years…the choir is great also and I have been in choir since 5 years old…So I think the extra curriculum activities in Uchi fit me very well. Moreover, the way of teaching also attracts me. I really like small intellectual class discussions. Currently I intend a major in econ(maybe it will change), and I also enjoy a bunch of other courses such as creative writing, literature, which I think Uchicago is very strong at. </p>

<p>Yet my major concern is, since the workload in Uchi is really heavy, do you have time to explore these after-school activities? How would you balance the extra-curriculum and study?</p>

<p>Moreover, could you tell me more about the Uchicago press? How is working in the press like? Do you write articles every week and being very busy going around interviewing people? </p>

<p>I think these are the major questions I have about the university overall… and I have a lot of inquires about the undergraduate econ program and may your roommate look at them if you’re not quite sure about the answers? Thank you!!!</p>

<p>First please let me introduce my interests a little bit…</p>

<p>I’m really interested in private equity, and my plan for the future is to join a great undergraduate program in the fields of economics and the like, then work in an investment bank or fortune 500, then get an MBA, and in the end go to private equity(my dream company is Blackstone…) Therefore I think I need to develop a good academic background and a connection network of people…
Well currently I’m learning AP Economics and am very interested in it. Yet I’m not sure whether I’m interested in fields like finance, accounting, things like that. But one thing I’m sure is I don’t want to study business(tell me if I’m wrong, but I think business is a kind of skill that could only be developed through real practicing instead of pure study, and I think economics develops a better logic of reasoning…moreover, I think I like to analyze the market very much and I’m not bored looking at company balance sheets or market graphs… I also really enjoy reading newspapers like financial times)<br>
Therefore I have a few concerns and questions here: </p>

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<li><p>How competitive are Uchicago econ major students to go to Fortune 500 or investment banks, compared to, say Dartmouth students or Duke University students or Columbia University students ? I heard that it’s quite tough to get a high GPA, so does that mean Uchi students with relatively lower GPA are less competitive in the job market? </p></li>
<li><p>How’s the chances of Uchi econ students getting internships? Where do Uchi econ students typically would go for internships? Where do they typically go to work after graduating? Do you think Uchi is better at educating future econ professors or career-wise people in companies and banks? </p></li>
<li><p>Also, how’s the network in Uchi? Can you develop a great network and connections of people? </p></li>
<li><p>How’s Uchi Econ faculties engaged in news affairs, like do they frequently comment on newspapers, or are they more like doing more theoretical work such as creating new theories in varies schools of Economics?</p></li>
<li><p>I heard that Uchi undergraduate Econ students are mainly taught by graduate students. Is that true? I heard that Uchi undergraduate Econ program is the best in the nation, but it always seems to me that best undergraduate Econ programs should be taught by professors not graduates. I mean graduate students are still students, and professors with longer careers should be more experienced with teaching and have deeper and wider prospective on issues… If graduate students teach most of the classes, then what makes Uchi undergraduate Econ program stands out?</p></li>
<li><p>I saw there’s a lot of maths in it. Though I got an 800 in SAT1 maths and am a Chinese mainland student(stereotypes hahaha), I think I’m still not a genius in maths. Do you have to be a genius in maths to handle the maths in the Econ program? </p></li>
<li><p>Also, compared to other universities, are Uchi Econ courses much harder, or the difficulties are basically the same? </p></li>
<li><p>How diverse are the courses? I’ve looked at the course catalog, and it’s mainly Economics, and there’s not much typical courses about things like finance, accounting, about analyzing the market or leveraging the risks and staff. Are there ways to develop skills in like finance or accounting or risk management in the Uchi econ program? Caz I’m not sure whether I would be learning finance or economics or accounting. </p></li>
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<p>Thank you very much for looking at these questions. Currently I’m deciding whether Uchi is my best fit (I’m a junior), and these are the major concerns I have. I would definitely have a better idea whether the university fits me if I get an answer for these questions, so your answers would be extremely helpful to me. Thanks a lot!!!</p>

<p>Thanks for answering questions esopha!
Could you tell me the pros and cons of UChicago Linguistics department? I’m planning on double majoring in Computer Science and Linguistics. How strong are the professors? Is it fun, or tedious? I know you’re only minoring in Ling, but any insight would be appreciated.</p>

<p>esopha - my son will be attending UChicago as a freshman next year and is considering his housing choices, particularly Snell. He accepted his early action offer within a week of receiving it, so he should be pretty high on the priority list for housing. Did you like living in Snell/Hitchcock your freshman year?</p>

<p>“Is it windy there?”</p>

<p>It can get pretty windy, especially in the winter. UChicago is pretty close to the lake, so we do get lake effect weather frequently.</p>

<p>“Are the RAs cool and let you do what you want?”</p>

<p>That depends, I think. No one is going to let you play your music super loud at 4 in the morning. However, there are no room checks, and no one is going to get on your case for drinking in your room or throwing a party.</p>

<p>“Does the Core limit the student’s opportunities to take non-major classes that he or she is truly interested in due to the highly structured prescriptions of the Core (not included in the list of Core courses/A, B, C, or D + E, F, G, or H courses in the same subject so that a student can’t choose A and B or G and H)?”</p>

<p>I really don’t know what you mean re: all those letters, so I’ll just address the first part of your question. The Core will limit what you can and can’t take, but the Core isn’t so boring that you’ll really regret your schedules. There are tons of cool classes, and while I sometimes get a little put out that I can’t have exactly the schedule that I want all the time, I’ve never gotten depressed about it. Also, your major is going to restrict classes that you can take, so keep that in mind. You’re never going to be able to take everything that you want to take whenever you want it.</p>

<p>For example: If you are a bio major, you have to take several introductory sequences, like bio, chem, calculus, etc, beyond that which would be expected of a non-science major. If you’re a poli sci major, you have to start taking the intro sequence before you finish your second year, I believe. Those are restrictions on your time just like the Core.</p>

<p>There are several options you can take to make the Core more flexible as well. I took Sosc during the summer, which I wouldn’t recommend unless you’re willing to work really hard, but it freed up a lot of time during the year. You can also take Civ abroad over the course of one quarter. I know a lot of people who do this and it seems to work for them.</p>

<p>I would also recommend taking Core classes that interest you.</p>

<p>But long story short: You won’t be able to take everything, but I’ve never cared. There are always new classes the next quarter.</p>

<p>“What proportion of the courses are taught by real professors and TAs respectively? (esp. Econ, Math, History, Philosophy)”</p>

<p>I don’t know much about history or philosophy, though I think generally they have more classes taught by professors vs. grad students than the econ or math majors. The reason behind that is that econ and math both have intro sequences that a grad student can teach easily. Generally speaking, professors teach higher-level econ classes in the sequence, or they teach electives.</p>

<p>“How nerdy/geeky are students at UChicago? Are intellectual discussions outside of classes actually common/prevalent?”</p>

<p>There’s a general slant towards nerdiness in the population of students here. To give you an idea: my roommate is practically the antithesis of nerdy in every respect, but our day to day conversations consist of whining about being alienated from our labor (Marx), racism/supremacism in the US, third-wave feminism, economic policy decisions, and Victorian literature. I don’t even study vic lit. She just likes it for some reason.</p>

<p>My favorite part of UChicago culture is the fact that the nerdy/geekiness is a cooperative one. Anyone who’s not an ******* will be more than happy to explain their areas of research or study to you. It’s really cool, and I’ve learned a lot just by talking to people outside of class.</p>

<p>“Yet my major concern is, since the workload in Uchi is really heavy, do you have time to explore these after-school activities? How would you balance the extra-curriculum and study?”</p>

<p>Carefully. Time management and knowing what you can and can’t do quickly become your two greatest skills. I work 15 hours a week, which takes up a lot of time, but all my extracurriculars only met about once a week for 1-2 hours, plus extra weekend days if necessary later in the quarter. I have a fairly low level of structured outside commitment, because I spend a lot of time reading and writing for fun.</p>

<p>My roommate does several extracurriculars that are all related to her econ major, specifically a student-run investment “company” and a pro-bono student-run consulting “firm.” They’re both great, but they take up a lot of time.</p>

<p>The general rule of thumb is, most people have the time to do school plus one extra thing. There are exceptions, of course, but it all depends on how you work and how you value your time. It’s definitely possible to do extracurriculars and take creative writing classes even as an econ major!</p>

<p>“Moreover, could you tell me more about the Uchicago press? How is working in the press like? Do you write articles every week and being very busy going around interviewing people?”</p>

<p>I actually work in the copyright department, so my job is a little bit administrative, a little bit negotiation, and a little bit arts and crafts. I manage contract folders and help our e-books officer get legal rights to publish backlist titles in electronic form. And a variety of other things - copyright registration, mailing out author copies and contract amendments.</p>

<p>If you’re interested in writing, the UChicago Magazine hires students quite frequently, and there are at least two student papers on campus that would be happy to have you, although they don’t pay.</p>

<p>OK so I know you wanted me to ask my roommate about these questions but I don’t really feel comfortable doing that since she didn’t volunteer her time. And she has two finals still. So, I’ll do the best that I can, ok?</p>

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<li>How competitive are Uchicago econ major students to go to Fortune 500 or investment banks, compared to, say Dartmouth students or Duke University students or Columbia University students ? I heard that it’s quite tough to get a high GPA, so does that mean Uchi students with relatively lower GPA are less competitive in the job market? </li>
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<p>Not really. CCIB (Chicago Careers in Business) is the most efficient wing of CAPS, I think. They’ll help you do networking, get contacts, polish up your r</p>

<p>“Could you tell me the pros and cons of UChicago Linguistics department? I’m planning on double majoring in Computer Science and Linguistics. How strong are the professors? Is it fun, or tedious? I know you’re only minoring in Ling, but any insight would be appreciated.”</p>

<p>The linguistics department is small, tight-knit, and somewhat underrated. Comp sci and ling are actually a pretty common combination, so you’d be in good company there. I’ve had about 50/50 really great professors vs. professors who couldn’t really hold down a lecture. However, I really enjoy the subject matter, so I couldn’t care less.</p>

<p>The one thing to keep in mind is, generally people agree that the intro sequence for linguistics is pretty dry. I know they’re trying to revitalize it a little, because they lose so many prospective majors during the sequence. It’s definitely challenging, and I’ve learned to think in different ways, which I appreciate. If you decide to major in linguistics, I’d recommend taking intro to linguistics, then maybe a low-level elective, like anthro of language, or historical linguistics (something without a lot of syntax, basically), and see how you like that. THEN go back and do the rest of the sequence: phonology/phonetics, syntax, and semantics. You’ll have more staying power, I think.</p>

<p>“esopha - my son will be attending UChicago as a freshman next year and is considering his housing choices, particularly Snell. He accepted his early action offer within a week of receiving it, so he should be pretty high on the priority list for housing. Did you like living in Snell/Hitchcock your freshman year?”</p>

<p>I actually hated living in the dorms, but that says more about me and what I want than it does about dorm life at UChicago. Snitchcock is a solid group of people. I met some of my best friends there. The rooms are kind of old, but the kitchens are brand-new, I think. At least I know Hitchcock’s is. There are lots of dorm traditions in Snitch that help first years feel welcome fast. If he likes dorm life, I’m sure he’ll be happy there. :)</p>

<p>Thanks, esopha. That was helpful:)</p>

<p>Thanks, esopha.</p>

<p>Thank you so much for answering the questions. They are really helpful to me. :D</p>

<p>Esopha:</p>

<p>What Core classes did you choose to take and which were your favorite/most interesting ones? If somehow you already answered this somewhere earlier I apologize and please just let me know.</p>

<p>Not a linguistics major or minor, but I have taken the Intro. to Ling. class here, and I’ll just note that your experience with the class will heavily depend on your instructor/professor and possibly on his/her specialty. Make sure to read course evaluations. It can either be horribly dry (depending on if you’re interested in your instructor’s sub-specialty and teaching experience) or it can be fairly decent. It’s very miss-or-hit.</p>

<p>Overall, I found the Intro. to Ling. class to be uninformative in the subspecialty I was interested in (particularly morphology, syntax, and morphosyntax). They really try to cram too much introductory material into one quarter, and in my experience, you’ll end up with a lot of linguistics trivia but very little actual knowledge that you’ll remember after you finish the course. The rest of the sequence, from what I’ve heard, is much the same way, in that you’re basically required to take classes in which you have little to no interest, which often turns potential majors/minors away from the department. Most people, I’ve noted, tend to run out of steam when they hit syntax or semantics. For me, I know I wouldn’t be able to get through phonetics/phonology, which I loathe with a passion, even more than I abhor semantics and pragmatics from my brief venture into the fields …</p>

<p>@XCyoungX - I’m guessing you mean out of hum/sosc/civ? I took Greek Thought and Literature, Self, Culture, and Society, and Colonizations. I liked Self a lot more than I liked GTL or Colonizations. I’d probably recommend against GTL, unless you’re interested in Classics, actually. My prof was a great teacher, which helped a lot. Basically no one likes Colonizations. It’s a weird kind of class, structure-wise. I thought the subject matter was pretty interesting, but the format of the classes (they relied heavily on group presentations when I did it) didn’t inspire me at all.</p>

<p>Self I took over the summer. I had a brilliant prof for the first three weeks - Moishe Postone. His lectures fundamentally challenged the way I think. He was fantastic! If he teaches a class, I’d definitely recommend him.</p>

<p>@neltharion - I agree with a lot of what you’ve said. The intro sequences are really difficult to get through, which is why I suggest not taking them all in a row. I enjoyed intro to ling and learned a lot, but so far I’ve only taken semantics out of the rest of the intro sequence. It was a conscious decision, so I wouldn’t burn out. If you (general “you”) try to space out the sequence and check the professor evaluations in order to take classes from great profs, I think the sequence will be a lot more rewarding.</p>

<p>What are the exams at the end of each quarter like? Are they a big deal or just like some end-of-chapter tests in high school?</p>

<p>could you give a little insight about the selectiveness of the CCIB program? do you/your roommate know of any people being rejected, etc? Thank you so so so much!!</p>

<p>It completely depends. Some classes don’t have a cumulative final and the final is worth the same amount as any regular midterm and cover just the last few weeks of material. On the complete opposite end of the spectrum, you have finals worth 100% of your grade. (As a note, you definitely won’t have classes where you final is worth so much at the beginning…they tend to ease you in pretty well so there is nothing to worry!)</p>

<p>I’m also a third year. Math major. Pretty involved in campus extra-curricular activities. I can also try to answer some questions from a different perspective if there is any interest.</p>

<p>CCIB: It’s hard to say as it’s a newer program and every year it seems to be a bit more competitive (the first group of graduates of the program graduated 2 years ago, and I think everyone who applied the first year got in). That said, the increased interest doesn’t exactly correlate with a decreased acceptance. They want all students with a genuine interest in the program to be able to do it, so they have been growing the program quite rapidly with the increased interest.</p>

<p>But, yes, some are not accepted into the program. But, this doesn’t keep you out of doing some of the things in the CCIB program. For instance, anyone at the university is able to take classes at Booth (business school). I intend to take more than half of my classes at Booth next year. (I’m not in CCIB nor did I apply for it.) And you can attend a huge multitude of programs at CAPS (career center) focused on business.</p>

<p>Just a plug here for Greek Thought - I took the first two quarters and really enjoyed it, despite having done pretty much nothing with Classics prior (besides reading two of the Theban plays in high school). The third quarter is topical, with options ranging from classic poetry to ancient novel to epic. It was nice to get a variety of genre (which I think you can get in World Lit, not so sure about PhilPer or HBC), but in the end, you should probably decide nearly all of your course choices based on the Professor - it makes a world of difference, far more than the course material, honestly.</p>

<p>And on the subject of the Ling intro sequence - it looks like the expectations/difficulty is drastically different among the courses. I took Semantics and Syntax last year, which while challenging in terms of subject material, weren’t too difficult of a course load, but my friend’s in Phonology right now and says that it’s completely killer and almost unreasonable in terms of its expectations. I’m not sure how much of this is due to the instructor, but it’s easy to see where the burnout can come from…</p>