<p>I can't understand why I was deferred from Yale. I would appreciate if someone could go through my application (<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1061467950-post92.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1061467950-post92.html</a>) and tell me what I was missing. Crapshoot or not, there's gotta be some reason why I was deferred...</p>
<p>You've got to realize, there are thousands of qualified students and just not enough spots. You could very well be someone Yale wants but doesn't have enough space for. This has no bearing on how good your app., and you shouldn't take it personally.</p>
<p>One of my boys was accepted and the sight says only 3 kids from Austrailia were accepted early...only 10 from NC were accepted and his twin was deferred...believe me we feel your pain...but EA isn't supposed to fill the whole class as far as Yale is concerned and everyone just has to keep on keeping on and look at your choices in April. It'll work out...I promise.</p>
<p>first, you're applying as an international applicant. whole different story.</p>
<p>If I were on the Yale admissions committee and I read your comments, you wouldn't have been deferred, you'd have been rejected. The attitude that you are entitled to a spot at Yale is not at all an attractive one.</p>
<p>I never said or even suggested that I was entitled to a spot. All I'm asking is for an explanation as to why I was deferred.</p>
<p>Please read more carefully so that next time you don't lay down your prodigal judgements on people.</p>
<p>I think it's a tough year for internationals. Apparently Canada didn't fare too well, and all three international students from my TASP seminar were deferred (of which I am one).</p>
<p>by your own admission, bad second essay. first essay you say was "brilliant"--i'd like to read it.</p>
<p>not great recs would hurt you.</p>
<p>no offense, you seem like the "typical asian candidate": look at your SAT 2's and APs: mostly science or math. maybe you should've taken AP US History and the US SAT 2.</p>
<p>being an international applicant probably hurt too. you got an "average" letter other than the three required--big mistake. they only want additional material if it adds something; giving them an additional "average" letter probably hurt.</p>
<p>just a few holes in your application. it's not like you got rejected or anything, so stop whining.</p>
<p>oh, and a note: admissions to top universities is not a crapshoot. admissions committees get paid for a reason, and it's not to choose applicants at random. ever wonder why so many people get into yale, harvard, princeton, etc. and people less often get into just a few of them and rejected from the others (in my experience, at least)? probably because all these committees can spot something in a candidate that you're not looking for.</p>
<p>Thanks for your rather curt reply. I agree that the teacher recommendations let me down, but that's indefensible, as I was the first kid in the school to ever apply to colleges in the US. </p>
<p>The additional rec was for my music supplement, and was mandatory.</p>
<p>Also I never suggested that admissions is a crapshoot. In my OP, I was premeditating the typical response of "oh, we all know its a crapshoot".</p>
<p>I dont think being an international hurts you any more than being an applicant to Yale in the first place. Although i could tell you that there are 3 australians admitted, so maybe they've reached the "quota"..</p>
<p>Or maybe they are not confident that you'll matriculate, since your stats are glowing and probably your indicated level of interest in Y wasnt high enough. Your chance of admission at HPS is ridiculously high so don't worry! I'm sure you're gonna be fine.</p>
<p>1) You're international</p>
<p>2) Arrogance and entitlement seep through both your comments on this thread and in the 2013 SCEA link... these adcoms are quite adept at picking up on that. </p>
<p>3) None of us know the answer. The adcoms have their own methodology for picking early admissions candidates. Perhaps you'll be exactly what they're looking for in the regular admissions pool. Frankly I didn't see anything that made you stand out enough.</p>
<p>Where can you find info that says 3 aussies were admitted? Is it the Office of Institutional Research site?</p>
<p>There doesn't have to be a reason why you were deferred. It doesn't work that way. Rather, there has to be a reason why a student is accepted. What on your application would be that reason?</p>
<p>@MagiTF: Where have I shown a sense of "arrogance and entitlement"?</p>
<p>It's obvious that no-one here is able to provide me with a reasoned explanation. If all you can offer is hostility then I'd rather not you waste time by posting on this thread.</p>
<p>No, it actually is a crapshoot because it is very few people who get HPYS, but many SCEA rejects from those schools that have it DO get into 1 of them. </p>
<p>Of course a student who got into Yale is more likely to be a student who also got into Princeton, but it is still a crapshoot - this crapshoot idea isnt something made up for d/r students to feel better about themselves. Everyschool wants some academic superstars, and some artsy, some real nerdy, some sporty, some normal ass people who can just contribute to the social atmosphere of a college. That means that while you may have been in the top 3% of applicants when it comes to pure brainpower, it might just so happen that H/S already have their pure brainpower accepted students that they want in their class and are now trying to work on some of the activist types, while Y/P may say, oh wow this guy is in the top 3% of applicants in terms of brainpower and we already have plenty of music types, sure, lets get him. Thats why its a crapshoot and if you, on paper, look like the students of Yale, you will probably at least get one or two top ten admissions if you apply to them all.</p>
<p>@OP: I dont believe i treated you with hostility. Maybe you should calm down a little and take another look at your application.
I responded to your question via PM.</p>
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<blockquote> <blockquote> <p>Interview: poor - was a phone interview, and interviewer was inexperienced>>></p> </blockquote> </blockquote>
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<p>As opposed to the interviewee?</p>
<p>Holy **** </p>
<p>You have a very good resume. </p>
<p>Holy ****</p>
<p>But good try mate, these schools are buisnesses in the long run you know? They sometimes ignore the fact that you are a human who works so hard for mere admission. You need stats like yours and a little luck to get in after deference.</p>
<p>Also guys the reason i shared the numbers was because this is EARLY admission- Yale isn't looking to fill their class with this group of kids- the are simply the building blocks to which they will add. There isn't any reason to pick on someone who is upset- when they have worked hard and put themselves on the line- they deserve a moment to "vent" I don't think that it has anything to do with "quotas" but obviously they can't take an entire class from Australia any more than they could NC or NJ. And there are probably 1500 capable and qualified people in all 3 locations. I don't think it is a "crapshoot" there is method to the madness but because they are YALE....they are going to have to reject/defer some and everyone knew that at the beginning. So let the hurt take a moment to heal before we go jumping on anybody's backs. I have 2 very qualified students at my house one got in the other was deferred. So...I can see both sides to this story!!! It makes it very hard on both.</p>
<p>It's arrogant and entitled to start a thread asking why you weren't accepted at Yale. It's like whining about not winning the lottery. So you didn't win. So what? Thousands of other applicants also weren't accepted.</p>