<p>... You need to consider the causes of the disadvantages, which aren't race. Yes, there is a correlation, but it's not inherently race. If you say that every black person should be allowed the benefits of affirmative action, you're telling me that you are in fact intellectually inferior. You're making me racist, thanks. The disadvantages are the conditions they grow up in without regards to race, so the issue should be dropped.</p>
<p>Not to mention that you're actually being really cruel to poor white families. What about the white male with the rapist uncle and meth lab mother or whatever you were saying? "Well, sorry. You have to be molested by your uncle, not go to school AND be black. Sorry, kiddo."</p>
<p>"Well, you're black and filthy ****ing rich? Welcome in, Mr. 25 on the ACT."
Your argument has more holes than it does credibility. Stop encouraging racism, you preachers of black inferiority. Allow better opportunities for those who have had to live with less opportunities throughout, not those with an advantageous race. The more you base things off of things as superficial (we should all be able to agree there) as race, you're being racist. If you want to be racist, I'll tell you get to the back of the bus. You made me say it. You told me "I'm black, so I'm not as good as you, which is inferable by my argument that because I'm black, I deserve more." Stop being ridiculous.</p>
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How can you argue that discrimination is negligible for most people if you are not those people? How can you account for the experiences of others? Are you omniscient?
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I stand by what I said. I grew up hispanic in a predominately white/asian community. I was never harrassed (unlessed kiddingly) about my race. It never happened. When I moved to a new town when I was 14, it was predominately black and white. Again, I was never harrassed and neither were my black friends.</p>
<p>I'm not saying racism doesn't exist. And some people are affected by it in horrible ways, to be sure. What I AM saying is that for most people, the effects are negligible. In 99% of individuals in the "URM community", RACISM doesn't play enough of a factor to impact admissions one way or the other. And that IS negligible.</p>
<p>I think what awheio is saying is that by giving preferences automatically based on race, you are using a policy which assumes that a particular black student has a lower academic ability because of his race, which on its faces is a racist assumption. </p>
<p>It could have been put a bit more tactfully though...</p>
<p>Yes, a large percentage of whatever races in whatever areas might be living in significantly worse conditions, but then help out everyone in those conditions! Not just the people of those races. It is not race. It is the conditions. It's not that difficult.</p>
<p>"I think what awheio is saying is that by giving preferences automatically based on race, you are using a policy which assumes that a particular black student has a lower academic ability because of his race, which on its faces is a racist assumption." </p>
<p>No, that's not what I'm assuming.</p>
<p>I'm assuming that after hundreds of years of treating a culture as less than human, destroying that culture, destroying the heritage of that race, destroying the lives of the people of that culture and still discriminating against these people today, giving them AA is the least we can do.</p>
<p>By giving African Americans AA, and treating them with the respect they deserve, and ending discrimination against them, African Americans will over time eventually prosper.</p>
<p>"I'm assuming that after hundreds of years of treating a culture as less than human, destroying that culture, destroying the heritage of that race, destroying the lives of the people of that culture and still discriminating against these people today, giving them AA is the least we can do."</p>
<p>Ok you just made the claim that AA is nothing more than reverse racism...</p>
<p>I think even a few AA buffs would argue you on that.</p>
<p>Even if they become prosperous, the apparent racism will still be there, so it's not really a cure for that. It could also really make the racist people bitter about it. I understand trying to do something to help the people who have problems because of racist people, but it's too much to group them as a mass like that. They need to do what they can to target the people who live in the poor conditions consequential of racism and things of that nature. Not every black person is suffering because of the 1800's. Essentially, the racist people are the problem, and there's not much that can be done about them. It's unfortunate and really a difficult fix, but it's far better to base things on economic condition than just pretending that you can capture the general mass with previous applications of AA. You offer unneccesary benefits to affluent blacks, and neglect the poor whites. It wasn't a functioning system.</p>
<p>you know whats hilarious about Jeniffer Gratz and her case against UMich? admissions at prestigious schools have already become so arbitrary that they are not decided based on who is more qualified and who isn't. they could admit the freshman class and then evaluate all the applications again and get a mostly new freshman class. how do we decide who deserves admissions and who doesn't? they very well may have refused gratz because she had a habit of grandstanding. he he he.</p>
I'm assuming that after hundreds of years of treating a culture as less than human, destroying that culture, destroying the heritage of that race, destroying the lives of the people of that culture and still discriminating against these people today, giving them AA is the least we can do.
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<p>White guilt doesn't do us any favors. Read some Fredrick Douglass man...he had it right. We can't continue to be dependent on the benevolence of guilt ridden white university administrators to gain entrance to a university.</p>
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Why don't you take a trip out to California and see how the Hispanics are doing?
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I'm from California.</p>
<p>What is that supposed to mean anyways? If hispanics are doing poorly in California, why does it automatically have to be about racism? Yes, on a whole, we're very poor, but what immigrant communities aren't? I think you're equating a low socio-economic position with racism, a common misunderstanding among many who support Prop 2.</p>