<p>Far from one, honestly. That label is reserved for the powerhouses such as UVA, UofMichigan, UofCali, William and Mary. Not Rutgers. </p>
<p>Rutgers is still a good school, but it definitely is not a public ivy.</p>
<p>Rutgers has a lot of history. It, along with W&M, fits in with the ivies better than the other schools you listed.</p>
<p>well Rutgers made a HUGE mistake by turning down the IVY league way back when. </p>
<p>the only thing Rutgers has on most schools is we started in the 1700s and they started in the 1800s. besides that we fail in comparison to most other state schools especially those you named there. We still arent even on the same level as UMD or Penn St…</p>
<p>As you may know, all of the ivies are located on the north east, and they are some of the oldest school in the nation. Rutgers is the 8th oldest school, located on the NE, and was founded by ivies. The ivies, however, are private and Rutgers and William and Mary chose to remain public.</p>
<p>I was actually about to post this link on a new thread to get some opinions but I figure it can fit here. [url=<a href=“http://www.arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_A(EN).htm]ARWU2008[/url”>http://www.arwu.org/rank2008/ARWU2008_A(EN).htm]ARWU2008[/url</a>]
Rutgers is the #54 best school in the WORLD. More reasons to be a proud scarlet knight.</p>
<p>i find it very odd that Dartmouth wasn’t on the list…also Brown at 71 is a bit of shocker…</p>
<p>Dartmouth is on the list, it’s # 105 lol</p>
<p>ARWU measures (for the most part) research. Top scientific research universities benefit as a result. That’s why UCSD and UCSF (grad only) among others are ranked so high and smaller, less research intensive universities such as Dartmouth and Brown are ranked lower.</p>
<p>Good. I don’t want to be associated with those Ivy League snobs anyway.</p>
<p>also: “In their book, The Public Ivies: America’s Flagship Public Universities, Howard and Matthew W. Greene list Rutgers University as a “Public Ivy”, a selection of public universities at which they assert a student can receive an Ivy League education at a fraction of the price.” – wikipedia, circa 2007</p>
<p>i found this old wikipedia quote on a cc forum. it seems to not be there anymore. but what i wanted to point out was that not only rutgers calls itself that. other people refer to it as a public ivy as well, and probably before rutgers did. well, i don’t really know about that, buuuuuuuuut it’s not like rutgers is the only one praising itself, although they never cease to tout their public ivy-ness. </p>
<p>and i also must agree that rutgers does not really deserve such a title. but it also doesn’t really deserve ALL of the criticism it gets since it really is not as terrible as everyone makes it out to be (i mean, of course it has its bureaucratic and fiscal issues but everyone just craps on it, mostly because it’s a state school and everyone and their mom goes here. i mean, how many of our hs classmates were not aware of the budget crisis and every problem we have with rutgers that we have become aware of as rutgers students, but still proceeded to criticize the school? i felt almost ashamed to be going to rutgers as i was graduating high school, and i really don’t think anyone should feel that way about coming here. it’s definitely not top-tier, but it’s also not at the very, very bottom)</p>
<p>if Schiano get ever get Rutgers Football to be a very strong program and the basketball team actually makes the tournament than you will see Rutgers become a better school.</p>
<p>you might be saying why does football and basketball have anything to do with academics but the better those 2 programs are, the more prestige your school gets. More prestige = more money…</p>
<p>i see where you’re coming from, but we’ve already talked about this… <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/rutgers/695885-rutgers-massive-budget-shortfall.html#post1062336917[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/rutgers/695885-rutgers-massive-budget-shortfall.html#post1062336917</a></p>
<p>well for Rutgers to be a “public IVY” they have to get students from other places besides NJ and Asia.</p>
<p>if you ask people from out west or down south they’ve never heard of Rutgers.</p>
<p>agree that RU doesn’t deserve to be labeled a public ivy, though i don’t believe it was a mistake for RU to go public. Just imagine, 2 ivies, a 20 min drive from each other…“geez, which one do i pick? how are they different?” RU just filled in the shoes as NJ’s flagship state univ cause it needed one. </p>
<p>also i don’t think it’s fair to compare RU to other public ivies around the country cause Rutgers has a different playing field. rutgers isn’t just surrounded by ivies, it’s surrounded by MIT, JHU, carnegie, nyu, rensselaer, tufts, brandeis, BC, Lehigh, Univ. Rochester, syracuse, georgetown, all them LACs, etc. RU has alot of competition when it comes to acquiring top students in NJ, especially when NJ HS grads are among the best and attend many great schools OUTSIDE nj. if you look at the geography of the best public universities in the U.S, you’ll notice a trend in geography. good public schools are in areas w/few privates or number of good schools example, UTexas-austin, besides rice, what else? In the south, there’s only Duke, emory, vandy, and… Cali, there’s stanford, CIT, and…midwest there’s UChicago, Northwestern, WashU, and… So what are the publics that fill in? UMich, UC system, U Wash, U Arizona, U Florida, (tsch not rly), U Georgia, Georgia Tech, chapel hill, U virginia, W&M, urbana-champaign, wisc-madison. How many publics do you see in the north east? only a few, u pitt, penn state, maryland, and even these are subpar compared to the others. states w/strong publics have a more vested interest in order to create intellectual labor, bring in business, etc. NJ doesn’t need that, we’re handed that just from our location and the other schools around us, so there isn’t a huge need to create top grads at RU cause there’s so many grads competing w/us. </p>
<p>plus, state appropriations for higher education has been dropping since the 90s, while secondary has been increasing. this helps put more NJ hs grads at better schools while leaving rutgers shortchanged. NJ and montana are the only states in the country to decrease higher education spending in their budgets. (interesting note, despite recession, corzine is increasing spending in his budget on secondary education, ***!) </p>
<p>all in all, for rutgers to become a public ivy, it needs new leadership, less useless depts (american studies? medieval tech? what?!), stop being a welfare college, more selective, less AA, some better profs and MOAR monies!</p>
<p>William & Mary is the definition of a Public Ivy. Followed closely by Virginia, California, Michigan,North Carolina and UCLA. Rutgers is far behind.</p>
<p>Given that the term “Ivy League” originated from a derogatory comment made about the member schools by a sports writer, perhaps it’s best that Rutgers decided not to join.<br>
:-)</p>