<p>The US economy is stronger than any European economy in terms of job growth, employment, GDP, yada yada. Our economy will remain fine provided the government doesn't interfere like in the Euro fascist states. I propose not giving illegal immigrants any amnesty, since immigration to the US should be legal and justified. My proposition is this; if they can acquire papers and pay their way in, let them stay. Only, don't give them any special priveleges like food stamps or whatever. In fact, abolish food stamps and other welfare outright. Without the gravy train, lets see how many poor Americans like illegal immigrants. Hmm, this paragraph is a little incoherent, but I am a little tired today.</p>
<p>"The US economy is stronger than any European economy in terms of job growth, employment, GDP, yada yada. Our economy will remain fine provided the government doesn't interfere like in the Euro fascist states. I propose not giving illegal immigrants any amnesty, since immigration to the US should be legal and justified. My proposition is this; if they can acquire papers and pay their way in, let them stay. Only, don't give them any special priveleges like food stamps or whatever. In fact, abolish food stamps and other welfare outright. Without the gravy train, lets see how many poor Americans like illegal immigrants. Hmm, this paragraph is a little incoherent, but I am a little tired today."</p>
<p>That's cause we have 300 million people and a work force that works really hard. In GDP per hour worked terms, many European countries are above the United States and exceed the United States in lifestyle. </p>
<p>Like for instance, I think the lifestyle in Austria, Germany, Switzerland is better than the United States.</p>
<p>Gumball, your socialist claptrap is ****ing dumb. Damn right I'll deny my neighbor bread if he's pointing a gun at me to get it.</p>
<p>I understand that illegal immigration is a promblem in this country. And yes something has to be done about it. Some compromise has to be reached, some plan has to be thought out. But it is something most of us never have to think about. I never have to think about being deported if the govt ever found out that my family and I are hear illegally. I never have to worry about gaining citizenship or residency because thats the only way I can have a decent life. The truth is that a very large majority of us dont have to even THINK about these things. We all lucked out that we were born to native citizens of this country and automatically had every opportunity at our feet. It isnt wrong to allow some else to obtain those same opportunities. </p>
<p>What our leaders and our president need to do is work on thier foreign diplomacy come up with a solution to this growing problem. But there of course is a reason as to why that hasnt happened yet. The war, the economy, social security, whatever issue you want to pick. Immigration policy isnt at the top of the list of things to do right now and has yet to be a priority.</p>
<p>Im suggesting a movie that warrants some viewing for those of you who have particular issues with Mexican immigrants. Its called "A Day Without a Mexican" Watch it, discuss it. It will broden your scope on this issue</p>
<p>This reminds me of one of my favorite scenes in *Day After Tomorrow<a href="terrible%20movie">/i</a>, where all the Americans are rushing to cross the Mexican border. LOL</p>
<p>I will run across to Mexico if Hillary gets elected. That being said, I will never run across to Mexico.</p>
<p>These pro-illegal immigration arguments are ridiculous....in your own country you can get an education and then get a job. Gumball talks about a $9000 a year average which is 25$ a day.. 25 times greater than where the REAL poverty line stands at. He talks as if mexicans have been to hell and back in their country when they've only seen it in cartoons.</p>
<p>"He talks as if mexicans have been to hell and back in their country when they've only seen it in cartoons."</p>
<p>Not to hell but in a realistic world governed by humans where inequality plays its role brutally and incessantly throughout most of these peoples' lives. Don't you think the illegal immigrants want to obtain the permanent residence right? And be able to perhaps even vote and contribute MORE to a country where they have already worked their bones off in low paying and tiresome jobs in the back alley of restaurents or factories so they can support their families? It's not always that easy. I doubt you have felt the pain at seeing your parents working this hard so you can wear the clothes you are wearing and the food you eat and the house you live in. </p>
<p>It's heart-breaking because you sometimes wonder how some pieces of so called legal government papers and a world separated by human-invented boundaries can strip so many humans off their dignity and their human rights in the world. It's not fair for them, even if they came to the US illegally. By passing the act, the US is like performing yet another flagitious act that finally expunges its last moral of conscience upheld so highly by humanity..</p>
<p>Right, cuz every other country in the world has open immigration and is very tolerant towards everyone.</p>
<p>"Only, don't give them any special priveleges like food stamps or whatever. In fact, abolish food stamps and other welfare outright. Without the gravy train, lets see how many poor Americans like illegal immigrants."</p>
<p>I regard this as one of the most impulsive and inconsiderate suggestions I have read so far. By abolishing welfare like food stamps, WIC, etc, you are not only pushing the illegal immigrants who barely have the money raise a proper healthy family and life, you are also pushing those who are have lower-come and who are LEGAL immigrants (permanent residents) to spend what they might otherwise cannot afford. I have friends who are immigrants and now living as a permanent residents and depend on food stamps and other welfare. Initially, when they first came, they proudly and excitely said America was the land of opportunities and money and they were eager to explore. Yet a year later, they found themselves working 10 hours in places where they otherwise would never thought of working. They had to do this but there was no choice. In order to raise their families, they simply had to do it. They poured their heart, their soul, their life's strength into the work not because they love it but because they want their children to lead a more fulfilling and fair life. A different life. Yet they still love the US because of the many other opportunities and benefits the country offers. They compliment on the welfare and how the country handles this and that. It is a great country, they said, even though they had to work so hard. I don't want the country to change into something brutally harsh and unforgiving.</p>
<p>What you were pushing here was only to promote more chaos. "Let's see what will happen if we do it..." Assumption to such subject matter is best to be avoided unless you have a good plan and your "let's see how the poor Americans like illegal immigrants" serves to increase tension, chaos, and hatred.</p>
<p>Lets see how appealing to emotion counts as an argument.</p>
<p>A pathetic appeal is one of the three traditional types of rhetoric, wicked, so I imagine it might work for many people.</p>
<p>count them as questions to your own point of views that you might have never been aware of before. It's funny how people say emotion gets into an argument. Sure an argument must be supported by tangible evidence and logic, etc. But when one comes to talk about humanity, what logic and evidence can you bring up to support your case other than your own principles and philosophy and morals? All these ideas are the things I was trying to convey in my two earlier posts. I wouldn't have asked people to wonder about the importance of papers and laws that play in our lives. I wouldn't have given an example of my friends' lives.</p>
<p>So tell me, how appealing do you think it is insteading of waiting for others to read them and then you reply to support their disagreement of mine?</p>
<p>I find it really funny how the first thing that people find to criticize is one's style of writing (the rules of an argument or debate are..) rather than what they can get out of the content.</p>
<p>I'm not sure if that was addressed to me, but I was merely commenting. A good (rhetorical) argument will have pathos (emotional appeal), logos (logical reasoning), and ethos (transmitting a sense of authority on the issue). I certainly agree that emotion is important.</p>
<p>Also, I'm not sure who said illegal immigration wasn't important to the government, but that's just wrong. If you watched the presidential debates, that was one issue that kept popping up repeatedly (Bush droned about his experience in Texas, remember?). The border patrol is armed, and the people living near the border don't take kindly to people trespassing. It's a serious issue, but the government has to tread carefully.</p>
<p>Dragon: Your logic was fallacious. Simple enough.</p>
<p>Welfare should be abolished.</p>
<p>I had sex with my mother</p>
<p>^want a cookie?</p>