<p>my son had a poor general chemistry teacher in high school.... he is graduating HS this semester and will be attending a top 50 university in the fall......to improve his GenChem foundation he is thinking about taking GenChem at a state 4 year university. He can audit the class or take the class for credit. If he takes it for credit, he does not want to forward the grade (regardless of GPA) to the university he will be attending in the Fall. Is that permissible? He thinks he will apply himself more through the credit than the audit.</p>
<p>The college that he attends in the fall won’t care about a summer grade, unless he wants to receive credit at matriculating college. Professional schools won’t care about the course; however all college grades must be reported so he’ll have to show the transcript to prospecitve med schools.</p>
<p>One other option is an online course, such as that offered thru Stanford epgy, which offers general HS chem up thru AP Chem (equivalent). He just can’t do the lab online.</p>
<p>^^^</p>
<p>Blue…</p>
<p>Since all college grades get reported when applying to med school, what is a med school going to do with 2 grades for the same class? </p>
<p>Supposedly, med schools don’t like seeing this because their thought process is that a child who gets an A after taking the class twice has … A. Gamed the system B. should get an A because he took the class twice…so not impressive.</p>
<p>What happens if a class is audited? Do those get reported anywhere?</p>
<p>I really don’t believe that one class taken after HS is gonna matter much, even if it is ‘duplicated’ at the matriculated college. (And yes, anything less than an A in the ‘repeated’ course doesn’t look too good!) All grades are averaged for allopathic med schools.</p>
<p>But to the OP, you might search for an Intro to Chem at the local college, perhaps a juco, which is kinda between a HS Honors Course and an AP Chem. It will strengthen the fundamentals which are needed for college chem.</p>
<p>*you might search for an Intro to Chem at the local college, *</p>
<p>That’s probably a better idea.</p>
<p>Avoid the whole situation and just audit it. Really, intro college chem, regardless of foundation, isn’t going to trip up a student who’s willing to put in the work. If it does…then med school wasn’t in the cards anyways.</p>
<p>Thanks for the help. </p>
<p>Are audited classes reported to med schools?</p>
<p>Help is widely available at college. My own D. has been an SI (Supplemental Instruction Leader) for GenChem prof for 3 years. She has up to 40 kids in her sessions and her success rate has been praised by her supervisor prof. She herslelf utilized all opportunites to seek help in Physics, despite the fact that she had strong foundation, she wanted to make sure that her understanding of concepts is correct. Some people hesitate using what is available at college, and this is completely wrong. You are paying for it, it is built in in tuition, might as well use it. So, I would not worry too much at this point. Just be open minded and do not hesitate to use prof’s office hours, SI sessions, informal group study with friends. It will work, it has worked for others with additional benefits. As my D. has commented, her Physics prof. knew her very well and it was an advantage.</p>
<p>I looked up the 2011 AMCAS instructions for reporting grades. It appears that any audited course must be reported and an official transcript for audited classes must be sent to AMCAS as part the verification process.</p>
<p><a href=“https://www.aamc.org/students/download/131750/data/2011amcasinstructions.pdf.pdf[/url]”>https://www.aamc.org/students/download/131750/data/2011amcasinstructions.pdf.pdf</a></p>
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<p>My son is also planning down the road to apply to medical school. I was planning on having him take Organic Chemistry at our local community college (as part of his high school courses ), but have him repeat Organic Chemistry at his 4 year college since I am assuming that Organic Chemistry at a cc is not as rigorous as Organic at a four year college. Will this plan cause problems when/if he applies to medical school? </p>
<p>I have been advised by other homeschoolers to have him audit the cc course, but it seems like that might cause a problem as well when/if he applies to medical school.</p>
<p>I know all co-enrollment classes taken for credit during high school must be reported, but it appears from the 2011 AMCAS instructions that audited classes must be reported also.</p>
<p>I am wondering if taking the same course (even if the audited course was a cc course) will raise some sort of red flag when it comes time to apply to medical school…like he needed to repeat the course twice in order to understand it? Is this a valid concern?</p>
<p>Yeah, that is a valid concern and a potential red flag. Repeating a class puts a applicant in a conundrum–anything less than an A is a disappointing grade and even an A gets somewhat discounted. (“Of course, he got an A; he’s taken the class before.”)</p>
<p>thanks so much for the research…it looks like the only way to take the course is overseas…lol</p>
<p>laughwithme - according to what wayoutwestmom posted, you would be o.k. with an overseas course as long as the course wasn’t taken at an American school overseas! ;-)</p>
<p>it appears that one cannot even go to Timbuktu and take a course without informing med schools…lol</p>
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<p>*it looks like the only way to take the course is overseas…lol *</p>
<p>If you bought the Chem book at the beginning of summer, would your son go thru it? do you have a family member or friend that is strong in chemistry that he could occasionally ask questions to?</p>
<p>**If you bought the Chem book at the beginning of summer, would your son go thru it? do you have a family member or friend that is strong in chemistry that he could occasionally ask questions to? **</p>
<p>lol…That is a good question… I believe that he might with a little incentive…lol…I have already asked someone to find the ISBN# for the book to be used in the fall…It is not available yet…I know this may be extreme to some of you and to be honest it seems somewhat extreme to me…my child took the class in the 10th grade (one year early) and made a low B for the year with a teacher who was very weak and tested strangely…I just wanted to give him the benefit of a good teacher…I know where one is 30 minutes from our home and he can audit the class…however, if it may be seen as negative, then he probably will not do it…he can self study the book and do some problems in the back…I was hoping for something with a little more structure…lol…my child is maturing every month by leaps and bounds right in front of my eyes…I believe by the second semester in college he will be organized and aware of what is needed to obtain the lofty goals that he has set for himself…I am trying to give him the best start I can and then it will be all up to him…I think I will call admissions to some of the med schools and tell them the situation and see if auditing a class one time between high school and college would be viewed negatively…thank you so much for your input mom2collegekids</p>
<p>laughwithme-- you have to trust your kid. D1, who was accepted this cycle, was a late-to-mature kid, but she pulled it together finally at age 24 (!!!) and did what it took to get accepted into med school.</p>
<p>All these absolutely NOT needed. Enjoying summer, spending time with friends and just relax doing whatever unstructured activities, or simply nothing, sleep until 2pm,…whatever will help much more than worrying about college GenChem or Orgo.</p>
<p>Also from mother of D. who has been accepted this cycle, although not late (still 21).</p>