In-demand U.

<p>Ocean Cohen wanted to attend the University of Florida from the time she was an eighth-grader at Pine View School for gifted students in Osprey.</p>

<p>She thought she was a shoo-in. Her grade-point average exceeded an A. She belonged to the honors math club. She volunteered at her temple and an animal hospital. She was an all-state distance runner. She played saxophone in the school band.</p>

<p>Harvard invited her to apply. Harvard gave her an interview.</p>

<p>The University of Florida rejected her - even after she appealed the decision with seven letters of support from her high school teachers and principal.</p>

<p>"I don't know what else I could have done,'' the 18-year-old said.</p>

<p>Three years after university officials capped the size of its freshman class at about 6,600, competition at UF is at an all-time high, forcing admissions workers to choose among the brightest and leaving behind an unprecedented number of disappointed families.</p>

<p>Of those who applied to be part of this fall's incoming freshman class, an estimated 42 percent were accepted - the lowest acceptance rate in the history of the state's public schools.</p>

<p>Not only does the school boast the lowest tuition among similar-sized public schools in the nation, but compared with Florida's other state schools, it has the most rigorous admissions requirements and is ranked highest nationally.</p>

<p>Selectivity at the state's top university is expected to heighten as UF continues to work toward becoming one of the nation's Top 10 public universities - a status that depends, in part, upon turning away a large number of students.</p>

<p>In 2006, UF turned down more than half of freshman applicants for the first time. It showed in the incoming student body: The average grade-point averages exceeded an A for the first time - a first for any school in Florida, including New College, the state's honor college in Sarasota.</p>

<p>And, a record 57 percent of freshman students who were accepted actually enrolled, placing the school firmly in the realm of top picks rather than safety schools. By comparison, 37 percent of students accepted at Florida State University enrolled.</p>

<p>The driving force is Florida's fast population growth: The campus of 50,000 students, the fourth-largest in the nation, is at maximum capacity, said UF President Bernie Machen.</p>

<p>The recently approved tuition increase taking effect in 2008 will be used to pay off debt and begin a years-long process of driving down what has become one of the nation's highest student-to-teacher ratios.</p>

<p>UF's student-faculty ratio is 21-to-1, compared with 15-to-1 at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor and 14-to-1 at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.</p>

<p>Expansion is not in the long-term plan.</p>

<p>"The city of Gainesville has a difficult time accommodating the student body we have now,'' Machen said. "If fewer want to come here and more want to go to other schools - that's the only way I can see it getting easier to get admitted.''</p>

<p>Educators predict a trickle-down effect will eventually allow the state to offer an education of similar quality through its other 10 universities.</p>

<p>But none yet garner the national prestige of UF, still the only Florida school to belong to the American Association of Universities, a group of the nation's top 62 research institutions.</p>

<p>"Long term, this is a beneficial thing for the state of Florida,'' said Terry Hartle, vice president of the American Council on Education. "Short term, there are consequences.''</p>

<p>Destination school</p>

<p>Ryan Moseley is the UF student body president and an international business graduate student. If he had to apply to UF again, he doubts he would get in.</p>

<p>Coming from a Coconut Creek prep school, he applied with a score of 30 on his ACT. But that was four years ago.</p>

<p>"My sister is a junior in high school, and she's going to have a much harder time, and we're about the same,'' Moseley said. "The younger people I know, the people I expected to get in, the 4.0s, you hear about them not getting in anymore.''</p>

<p>A student government survey showed that most UF students supported a tuition increase if the money would be used to increase the number of teachers on campus.</p>

<p>"A lot of times students complain about not being able to get into the courses they need to graduate,'' Moseley said. "There's not enough teachers for all the classes all the time, or you don't know your teacher that well because of how big your class size is.''</p>

<p>Campus chatter is a swirl of firsts. This month, the university's endowment exceeded $1 billion for the first time. Faculty produced enough inventions to finish in the nation's Top 10, behind schools like MIT and CalTech. Eight months ago, the school opened the Cancer & Genetics Research Complex, the largest research facility in the state.</p>

<p>In April, UF accomplished an unprecedented athletic three-peat, winning men's basketball, football and another men's basketball championships consecutively - a series of titles some speculate will attract even more applicants to the school.</p>

<p>UF ranks 13th among public universities by U.S. News and World Report. Ten years ago, it was not in the Top 50.</p>

<p>Last fall, almost half of students admitted to the freshman class scored above 1,300 on the SAT's verbal and math sections combined. Ten percent of freshmen admitted in 1994 scored that high.</p>

<p>The jump has impressed professors of even the most competitive programs.</p>

<p>"We always joke with each other: Could we get into our own programs nowadays?'' said Dr. Frank Bova, who teaches neurosurgery at UF.</p>

<p>The rise of the University of Florida is partly the result of an effort to raise money for research and recruit star faculty to boost its reputation.</p>

<p>But it is also a pronounced example of what has been happening at public universities around the nation since the 1990s. As more students elect to attend college, and college costs continue to outpace family incomes, public universities become attractive bargains.</p>

<p>Nowhere is that more evident than at UF, which has the lowest tuition for in-state students among major public universities around the country, according to a survey by USA Today.</p>

<p>More than 95 percent of freshmen at UF receive the state's free tuition Bright Futures scholarship.</p>

<p>The scholarship clinched the deal for Allen and Camille Hawkins of Panama City, whose daughter Lauren will attend UF this fall. Lauren was in the top 10 of her high school class, danced with a troupe and volunteered at her church.</p>

<p>"If we sent her anywhere else, it would have been at least $15,000,'' said Allen Hawkins.</p>

<p>The family does not expect their younger daughter to attend UF. Her grade average is an A-minus.</p>

<p>Machen said the admissions bottleneck is out of the school's hands; they simply cannot take more students.</p>

<p>"It really is unfortunate when you can't let more kids in because you top out,'' Machen said. "We had 4,000 to 5,000 kids this year who could have done well at the university, but we just didn't have room for them.''</p>

<p>The tension is probably most prevalent among alumni.</p>

<p>Paul Robell, vice president for development and student affairs, said the admissions crunch "is all I hear about.''</p>

<p>"Even if every spot in the class was devoted to legacies, we would have to say no to over half of them,'' Robell said. "A lot of alumni remember how it was, and it ain't that way anymore, and they have trouble accepting it.''</p>

<p>Trickle-down effect</p>

<p>When Pine View's Cohen called UF, she said she was told she was turned down because her extracurricular activities were not diverse enough, and because of her essay - even though her honors English teacher had critiqued the essay twice and combed it for grammatical errors.</p>

<p>"Obviously, if you have a kid who is a weak student and has soft board scores, maybe it's justified,'' said Florette Ames, a science teacher at Pine View who tutors students applying to college. "But this is terribly unfortunate. I think it's an injustice. There is a girl who has not only worked hard in the classroom, but really intensely outside the classroom, and she's turned away.''</p>

<p>UF Provost Janie Fouke said parents have accused the school of being "elitist,'' but because so many want to go to UF, the school has no choice but to place a heavy emphasis on grades and scores.</p>

<p>"We're going: What do you want us to do?'' Fouke said. "Once you get this excellent group of people, you don't want us to throw darts. You do want us to use their grades in high school and their SATs. You want us to use their essay.''</p>

<p>This fall, Cohen will attend the University of Central Florida - which has more than doubled in size and is also becoming more competitive.</p>

<p>Ames said other students rejected from UF are going out of state or attending the University of Miami, a private school that has increasingly selective admissions and offers scholarships for National Merit students.</p>

<p>But budget cuts could strap other state schools and prevent them from taking the UF overflow. The Board of Governors recently announced plans to freeze freshman enrollment at all 11 schools this year because of state budget cuts.</p>

<p>Cohen said she wanted to attend UF so badly because it has the only veterinary school in the state and she wants to be a veterinarian like her father. At UCF she plans to study biology. She plans to reapply to UF for graduate school.</p>

<p>She said not getting in was "the most frustrating thing I've ever had happen in my life.</p>

<p>"I sat in my bedroom for a week,'' Cohen said. "I did extremely well, I thought. It's just frustrating when you do everything you can, and it's not good enough, and you don't know why. This is what I worked for.''</p>

<p><a href="http://www.gainesville.com/article/2...290306/-1/news%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.gainesville.com/article/2...290306/-1/news&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>wasn't this posted before?</p>

<p>I was not aware that it had. This was an article from the Gainesville Sun.</p>

<p>Off course u were.. You posted it in the general forums.</p>

<p>This article is quite old.. ive read ti before.</p>

<p>Here is what I feel: This is an exageration!</p>

<p>At many schools that accept 40% of the applicants and have 20K + applicants (Umiami, UF, GWU, BC, Michigan, North Carolina etc..) you will see kids with high stats getting waitlisted or rejected.. it happens!
there are many reasons. I wont list all of them but here is one I am aware of.
Sometimes schools reject highly talented applicants (or waitlist) when they feel they will most liekly not attend. espeically when space is tight they willl rather not take chances and give the spot to someone who will probably attend (thus increasing the yield percentage).</p>

<p>Just as u mentioned this case... I can name a boatload of students with good stats but lower than this applicant's that got in... Im nto talking about geniouses with 5.5 gpa's im simply talking about normal kids with 3.5 gpas and a 1200 on the SATs. </p>

<p>Like I said there are always odd cases such as these but there is no need to exagerate these cases and put up worry amongst future applicants. </p>

<p>I mean if u want to get technical, the increasingly selective private school they mention (UMiami) rejects 60% of the applicants (22,000 apps) as opposed to UF which rejects 56% of the applicants (24,000 apps).
I know kids with pretty good stats at UMiami that got waitlisted.in the end got accepted for spring term but why that happens. That is hard to predict same way predicting chances is extremely hard to do...
Look UMiami recieves just as many applications as the "IN-Demand U" and rejects more of the applicants than the "In-demand U." Also it boasts identical stats.
I can list other similar schools or even tougher to get into such as Boston College and again, you dont see their local newspaper flaunting their admissions... I just dont get it why the Gainesville newspaper wrote this.. all it does is create unnesecary stress and worries when most of it isnt true.. its an exageration!</p>

<p>I am tired of your University of Miami trolling.</p>

<p>SSobick published this story on this thread on 7/23, except the first six paragraphs were omitted:</p>

<p><a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=372831%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=372831&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>The article was written by Anna Scott of the N.Y. Times and published in several FL newspapers.</p>

<p>Interesting fact: There are almost 7,000 Jewish students at UF (<a href="http://www.ufhillel.org/)%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ufhillel.org/)&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p>

<p>Anna Scott writes for the Sarasota Herald Tribune. I did an internship there.
and that's why it's called Jew-F. lol.</p>

<p>and I also posted this article last week...so I guess it's been posted 3 times now. haha</p>

<p>Different things like applying late, low SAT's, and overrepresentation could have all played a role in this case. It leaves too much out to be a credible example</p>

<p>Even though those statistics may be correct, there are numerous cases where unique students get into those types of schools. It's true that UF has become increasingly popular in the state of Florida, buts that primarily in state, and theres also a statistic that proves that the Florida school system is sub-par. That is an interesting fact though, maybe the student who applied was defintely overrepresented at her school.</p>

<p>SSOBICK.....
you have Created more posts about UF than anyoen could possibly have created.. I see pages and pages of threads u have created or posted (plus opening threads about this article 3 times) referring to UF so dont go telling me ur tired of my UMiami trolling.. I cant remember the lats time I created a thread about UM in a public board other than when I was askign to compare thaty school to others I got accepted at for decision making.</p>

<p>the only reason I mentioned the schooll was because the article talks about it there and I know quite a bit about the school as I will be attending there this fall! </p>

<p>Im not trying to batter UF here.. I was critisizing the article.. everyone knows UF is no longer a safety for many. But for this Anne Clark to go out making the admissions at UF seem like its out of this world is not right.. She can do it, but she should provide many perspectives. Obviously when you provide a perspective of a Harvard applicant applying to UF and getting rejected paints an image of selectivity at UF. However why dont we elaborate on that perspective and still consider that the SAT ranges are still beggining in thr 1180's. I know boatloads of kids (as I am from Fl) who are going there and got 1200-1250 on their SAT and had solid 3.5 gpas..
Mayby she should also include the perspectives of those kids (that do make up a higher number than the one presented in the article) that way it would be a more balanced article and again much more realistic.</p>

<p>"you have Created more posts about UF than anyoen could possibly have created.. I see pages and pages of threads u have created or posted"</p>

<p>I create posts to support my alma mater. People find my research to be helpful, informative, and interesting. I have had numerous posters praise my efforts. I rarely ever bash another institution, that is unless they direct their venom at UF or the state of Florida.</p>

<p>You on the other hand feel the need to put down any school that is in direct competition with the University of Miami. I honestly could care less about your institution, just understand that I will not tolerate UF bashing.</p>

<p>"People find my research to be helpful, informative, and interesting."</p>

<p>Completely true... thanks once again</p>

<p>I wonder if acarta realizes this is gator turf on CC</p>

<p>Ah, leave acarta07, he means well. He's an incoming Miami freshmen, it's only natural that he's excited about his university.</p>

<p>Personally, I like SSobick's posts. I'm glad to see a new post by him/her as it usually means a new article or interesting fact about UF has been found and posted here. As an alumni, I pretty much have an insatiable appetite for all things UF. And so what if there's a duplicate post here or there?</p>

<p>My enjoyment notwithstanding, SSobick's posts provide a truly valuable service here. I know several families who are quite devistated by their sons and daughters not getting accepted to UF. Yes, the bar has risen and is continuing upward. This cannot be stressed enough to prospective Gator families. The guidance counselor at my daughter's HS has been stressing this a lot lately. Those students who have their hearts set on UF need to really heed this warning. </p>

<p>Now, re acart07's posts, I find it very difficult to believe that he/she will be an incoming Gator. The tone and substance of his/her posts are just not consistent with this.</p>

<p>I too really enjoy SSobick's posts. Thanks so much!</p>

<p>FLBoy, acarta is a UMiami incoming freshman.</p>

<p>UF>>>UMiami </p>

<p>=)</p>

<p>bump! This is a great article</p>