<p>Darkadvantange, I'm smarter than you.</p>
<p>I everyone one this thread a jerk or only a few?</p>
<p>You forgot the s, jerk.</p>
<p>Too boring for me. Bye.</p>
<p><em>tips hat</em> au revoir.</p>
<p>Too bored to but the s in is? Now that's what I call bored!</p>
<p>i didn't get what Danderoo was trying to say, frankly.</p>
<p>Well, his or her final question was basically "When is Stanford cheaper than Cal? How about for out of state students?" I'd say if you're fairly poor (is their cut off 45k? 50k?), if you're receiving a good chunk of the 12 million dollars worth of athletic scholarships, or something like that, then Stanford will probalby cost you less.</p>
<p>I do agree that Stanford has AA, Berkeley doesn't. However, Berkeley does have its form of AA which is essentially its cummulative review. People in admissions are allowed to conisder social ecomomic status in the context of there accomplishments. This is usually displayed through the essay portion of the application.</p>
<p>So your point is cummulative review is like affirmative action? Probably. But to what extent? I don't think that we can know that answer.</p>
<p>Well my point is that cumulative review can act as affirmative action. However, usually it can only be considered if people write about it on the essay portion of the application or if they are enrolled in special programs which are indicated through some of the special checkboxes on the application.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/10/MN92829.DTL%5B/url%5D">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/10/10/MN92829.DTL</a>
That article writes a little but about it. To what extent is actually very subjective, but from what I have seen the pool of people that actually go through this route is small, but still significant. This number isnt as big as it could be because of the extra steps they need to do for extra consideration.</p>
<p>Sure, it could act, and probably does act, in a similar way as it, although you must keep in mind that it is illegal to use race as a factor for admittance for various California institutions. I believe the admissions people follow the law, but maybe they do not.</p>
<p>To what extent is subjective? Yeah, it is, but not in the way you're saying. The admissions people know full well the extent which things happen, and we common people do not.</p>
<p>Well I was trying to hint that while they cant use AA they use loopholes through the cumulative review process. However, this is done through a much lesser extent that AA. I agree with you completely admissions does follow the law. Therefore, they are not considering race, but by socioeconomic status the context of what they accomplished despite circumstances.</p>
<p>My definition of subjectivity was the same as your Drab. There just isnt any hard numbers or solid evidance to show how much it occurs.</p>
<p>i see no reason to go to stanford over berkeley.</p>
<p>As an alum of both, I can see plenty of reasons to go to Stanford undergrad, but if you don't, great.</p>