<p>Any stats? I know it probably is a bit lower than the total average, but by how much, judging by your experiences. Do most in-state applicants with a 30 and 4.0 get accepted if everything else was fine?</p>
<p>In-state and out-of-state stats are not recorded separately, but if the middle 50% for the ACT last year was 29-33, then for in-state it was probably around 28-31. 30 and 4.0 would put you above average for in-state applicants.</p>
<p>Very helpful. Thank you very much.
I appreciate all other responses as well. Any insights?</p>
<p>I don’t know if there is any data supporting it, but I feel like in-state applicants are not any less intelligent than their OOS counterparts. I think all it means is that instead of having 40% of OOS 3.9s and 34s, there are 60% IS 3.9s and 34s. Larger quantity, same quality.</p>
<p>Let’s not go on the presumption that GPA and test scores are an accurate reflection of intelligence. In-state and out-of-state students at UMich are indeed most likely equal in intelligence. However, it is widely accepted fact that admissions gives preference to in-state students and are therefore more likely to accept someone with a 3.7 GPA and 29 ACT who is in-state than someone who is out-of-state.</p>
<p>Without any data to support this conclusion, I would suspect that the median ACT score would be about the same for in-state and OOS but the 25% - 75% range for in-state students would be wider than that for OOS with the thought that U-M is able to capture a greater percentage of upper end of Michigan students than OOS. The lower in-state tuition is a big attraction that keeps top students in-state.</p>
<p>There is no official data to support this generally accepted thinking. It is even hard to find the different admission stat for LSA and CoE. However, from the stat of a local high school, it seems the admission stat is slightly lower than the overall average. The number of kids from that high school going into UMich is overwhelming. Although there is no real data support, I would say if your score/GPA are above the admission median, you should be safe for in-state. Nevertheless, the percentage of oos students has increased significantly in the last few years. Not only the University needs to make more money out of it, the decrease in high school student population (~10-15%) is the main reason.</p>
<p>“Do most in-state applicants with a 30 and 4.0 get accepted if everything else was fine?”</p>
<p>My anecdata suggests otherwise. A friend of mine (in-state and with a lot of other accomplishments) had a 4.0 and a 35 in the 2010 admissions cycle and was rejected. While Michigan might be a little more lenient to in-staters, as other posters have suggested, stats like your suggestions are hardly a guarantee.</p>
<p>This is…very depressing. Why do all other Michigan colleges suck? Now where am I supposed to go if Umich rejects me? No good out-of-state college will accept my 30.</p>
<p>^^^Michigan State does not “suck” and is as good or better than most other state’s flagships. You are lucky that you live in Michigan and even have the ability to attend U-M at instate rates. Most other students aren’t as fortunate.</p>
<p>If the 4.0 is unweighted then it is highly unlikely that you will not get in. Highly unlikely and absolute certainty, however, are different. lolifofo, I am sure you will either get accepted somewhere good or make the best of where you get accepted. And other Michigan colleges do not suck.</p>
<p>Lolifofo, relax. There are many excellent schools, both within Michigan and in the 49 other states. My daughter (OOS) was accepted to Michigan and many other fine schools with an ACT score of 30. There also are students who get rejected with better stats. There are a lot of things that make up a strong application in addition to grades and test scores, such as EC’s. Have fun and work hard in those. Consider how you sound in your writing, and work on that. Think about what you would really want in a school. Rather than focus just on one school, talk to your school counselor and research 15-20 schools to find 5-10 schools, including target, reach, and safety, that all would be good places for you. You may even discover that there are other schools out that are better fits for you than Michigan. And then take a deep breath and enjoy your senior year knowing that most people are ultimately satisfied with their college, even if it wasn’t their “dream” school.</p>
<p>Don’t worry about going elsewhere if Michigan rejects you. I was rejected this past year and am headed to Harvard in the fall. There are plenty of other schools that are just as good, if not better, than Michigan.</p>
<p>“Don’t worry about going elsewhere if Michigan rejects you. I was rejected this past year and am headed to Harvard in the fall.”</p>
<p>I just wish all of those CCer’s who that think Michigan is a safety school for top students would read your post! Once again, congrats on Harvard! :-)</p>
<p>I won’t consider myself lucky to live in Michigan if I get rejected or wait-listed. In fact, I would consider myself very unlucky for being stuck there. And no; MSU is not an excellent school judging by how non-selective it is. They accept everyone with +22 ACT. I am way better than that. I’m pretty sure I deserve better for my daily AP all-nighters. I can’t wait for this process to be over next year. It’s destroying my nerves.</p>
<p>43% of the freshman who entered this year were out of state.
[Enrollment</a> trends: Out-of-state students form 42.6 percent of University of Michigan’s freshman class](<a href=“http://www.annarbor.com/news/university-of-michigan-sees-increase-in-out-of-state-students/]Enrollment”>Enrollment trends: Out-of-state students form 42.6 percent of University of Michigan's freshman class)</p>
<p>That’s a significant proportion of out-of-state students. So I it would be like 29-31 at the very worst of instate, since 29-33 is the overall.</p>
<p>^ Answer I was looking for. Thank you very much.</p>
<p>Just think of it like this.</p>
<p>There are a larger number of OOS students competing for a smaller number of spots.
There are a smaller number of IS students competing for a larger number of spots.</p>
<p>The admissions department wants the most qualified students they can get. They’ll be scraping a larger number of students off the top of a smaller pool of IS students as opposed to the smaller number off the top of a large pool of OOS students.</p>
<p>Common sense says that OOS group is going to be more qualified.</p>
<p>I just don’t understand how some in-state applicants with 4.00 and 34 get wait-listed or rejected if what you are saying is true. They aren’t very consistent with their admissions or that guy wrote some really horrid essays! xD</p>
<p>A GPA means nothing without any context. How difficult was the course load, does the HS have a trend of inflation, etc. You also have to look at all the other parts of their app.</p>
<p>I don’t think essays matter very much at all, but I’m in CoE so who knows.</p>
<p>The top 3000 students from Michigan aren’t going to be at the same level averaged out as the top 2000 students from the rest of the country (+international). That just wouldn’t make sense. </p>
<p>I’m not saying the applicants for Umich work out exactly like that, but it probably follows the same idea</p>