In-state average ACT of admitted students?

<p>I’m sure those students took many AP’s, and essays do matter a lot as far as I know. I wish I could enter the minds of those admission teams to see what they look for. Or I’m afraid admission has turned into a lottery like the Ivies…</p>

<p>I am also from Michigan, and went to one of the top public schools in the state. One of my good friends had a 4.0 with ~7 AP’s, a 34 ACT, 3 varsity sports (was captain of 2 of them), NHS officer, several awards and such, and still didn’t get in. He decided to take a full ride at UM-Dearborn, and is excelling there.</p>

<p>I suggest you get over your sense of entitlement, and be prepared to maybe have to go to a school that is “beneath you.”</p>

<p>I have known a lot of students who chose MSU Honors over UMich and have done very well - there’s a lot of benefit to being in a specialized program and being the top academically. MSU seems to win out in a lot of the decisions and my impression is that there is a great group of very smart kids there who get individual attention and opportunities that they may not get at Michigan where they wouldn’t be the cream of the crop…
My own daughter seriously considered MSU’s James Madison school but ultimately picked Michigan.</p>

<p>I agree with Ghost73 and ShanghaiMom… Regardless of what you think, you’re still a high school student and you’re not that special, you’re not on a pedestal above MSU. Plenty of fine students attend there, including some that I guarantee have a better high school resume than you do. Good luck on applying to UMich.</p>

<p>MSU Honors is a great program and is a great backup incase you aren’t accepted into U-M.</p>

<p>Enten - you don’t have to be such a jackass :o</p>

<p>Oh dear cheese, I’m so glad this herpderp MSU people are stoooooopid stuff ends after most people leave Michigan and enter the workforce. Look, if you <em>really</em> believe that all other Michigan universities suck, I truly hope you’ll use college as a way to break out of the tiny bubble you exist in and explore what life is like elsewhere. Michigan is incredibly fortunate to have two public universities in the top 100.</p>

<p>I never applied to MSU. I’m happy I’m not going there. </p>

<p>But that’s just my opinion.</p>

<p>“Michigan is incredibly fortunate to have two public universities in the top 100.”</p>

<p>Also incredibly lucky that both are large and can handle most of the best students in the state. Very few states can offer the same.</p>

<p>“Oh dear cheese, I’m so glad this herpderp MSU people are stoooooopid stuff ends after most people leave Michigan and enter the workforce. Look, if you <em>really</em> believe that all other Michigan universities suck, I truly hope you’ll use college as a way to break out of the tiny bubble you exist in and explore what life is like elsewhere. Michigan is incredibly fortunate to have two public universities in the top 100.”</p>

<p>LOL. Having worked in the real world, unlike you, it is obvious that moo u is so far inferior. </p>

<p>And no, the state of Michigan is fortunate only for its flagship, the rest of the publics suck. moo u kids won’t even make it through the HR filter for us, or the most other elite firms, and rightfully so.</p>

<p>Most people havn’t even heard of moo u outside of the state.</p>

<p>@bearcats, Who do you work for that is so exclusive and “elite” that you refuse to look at MSU grads? Feel free to PM me if you don’t feel like posting it here. A quick glance at employment data from “Moo U” shows grads working at Microsoft, IBM, Amazon, HP, P&G, Intel, Dow Chemical, PepsiCo, Coca-Cola, Shell, BP, Chevron, ExxonMobil, the Big 3, and Apple. Do most MSU grads work for these companies? No. Does going to MSU mean that you are a failure destined for unemployment? Absolutely not.</p>

<p>The only places where I could see MSU grads being excluded from just because they graduated from MSU would be MBB and bulge brackets, but this would apply to students from nearly every college in the country.</p>

<p>At least one MSU grad that I know of, Katherine McAlpine, worked for CERN. If MSU is good enough for some of the best scientific minds on Earth, it’s certainly good enough for other careers, as well.</p>

<p>Ghost, he’s just passionately anti-msu. No big deal. Luckily, most Michigan people don’t think like bearcats. :)</p>

<p>From what I’ve noticed, bearcats gets off by going on CC and trying to convince himself that he’s better than just about everyone on here. He likes to call it “saying it as it is,” to just about anyone else it’s just him being unnecessarily brash and doubtful of anyone’s potential other than his own. I don’t doubt his intellect, just his people skills and his ability to see that things aren’t as clear-cut as he seems to think they are.</p>

<p>I also love that moo u is an insult. I love cows and if it weren’t for farmers and agriculture, life and society wouldn’t be possible. </p>

<p>So moooooo :)</p>

<p>Yea, incase you haven’t noticed, bearcats isn’t exactly the most loved character on these boards…</p>

<p>“I love cows and if it weren’t for farmers and agriculture, life and society wouldn’t be possible.”
Lol I love eating cows too.
This is where kids like you who live in fantasyland drive me nuts. If it weren’t for the cops you wouldn’t be safe; if it weren’t for teachers kids wouldn’t be able to read. if it weren’t for farmers you wouldn’t have anything to eat. YAY COPS YAY TEACHERS YAY FARMERS WE SHOULD ALL APPRECIATE THEM AND THANK THEM.
It’s a job. Farmers don’t farm to provide for you. They farm primarily to economically benefit themselves which in the process provides food for you. It’s all supply and demand. If half the farmer’s quit tomorrow, food prices will sky rocket. But then people who weren’t farmers would go farming to profit from the situation. All about economics and nothing honorable about it. Btw, have you seen corn futures prices since 07? You can thank your corn farmers/industry for that.
Same with teachers. Same with cops. It’s a job. People do it for the pay, and then for the interest. If half quit tomorrow, wage would go up because of decreased supply, and more people would change job to become cops and teachers. All labor economics.</p>

<p>“At least one MSU grad that I know of, Katherine McAlpine, worked for CERN. If MSU is good enough for some of the best scientific minds on Earth, it’s certainly good enough for other careers, as well.”
Lol. Being a journalist at CERN is like being the apple store sales person at apple. The “best scientific minds” at CERN work in research, not writing about other people’s research. But she obviously has rap talent I’ll give you that.</p>

<p>“The only places where I could see MSU grads being excluded from just because they graduated from MSU would be MBB and bulge brackets, but this would apply to students from nearly every college in the country.”</p>

<p>I assure you there are plenty more places that automatically disqualify MSU grads for good positions, elite hedge funds, asset managers and private equity firms come to mind.
And I guess I should more clear, I am talking about positions where you are gainfully employed with a good trajectory. Take your list for example, being employed as a salesperson in apple store, customer service at HP or amazon, and even operations/paper pushers at bulge brackets don’t really count.
On the flip side, just because people from non-targets like moo u get filtered doesn’t mean they can’t network their way for interviews, so you have a few that slip through the crack.</p>

<p>I make my living creating thesis and making decisions off statistics and probabilities. Do I think everyone from MSU is stupid? Absolutely not. But I am going to make my assumptions off general facts and statistics, until the person prove me otherwise. </p>

<p>That is how recruiting works, at least for prestigious high finance positions that thousands of grads would kill to have. I am not currently involved in recruiting because I just joined a different firm, but I used to be very actively involved in recruiting. When we interview kids from the Harvard, Princeton, Wharton etc, we assume the kid is smart until proven otherwise. When we interview kids from Michigan, UVA and the like, we are more cautious. When we interview the very ocassional kids who networked their way to interviews from less prestigious schools (still far superior than moo u), we just assume the kid is stupid until proven otherwise, and most of the time they don’t and it’s a complete waste of time. We definitely ask a lot of brainteasers and technicals for kids from lesser schools to gauge their ability, because we know that based on statistics they are far more likely to be inferior.</p>

<p>and as a side note, this notion of “after your first job, where you go to school doesn’t matter” crap is so misleading.</p>

<p>Your school always matter, because every career has a trajectory. Your first job set your second job up, and so on; where you start absolutely has a lot of bearing on where your career will end up. That’s why so many ambitious students want to work in IBD or MBB. It sets you up in terms of exit opportunities. Your school’s prestige and your performance in school is largely correlated with where you end up for your first job.</p>

<p>Also, school always matter in prestige oriented (also known as high paying, prestigious) industry. It’s so much easier to convince people to pay astronomical fees to have their assets managed, or to get advisory services by people with prestigious pedigrees. That’s why over 75% of the PMs where I used to work at either graduated from Harvard or Wharton. Brand is everything.</p>