<p>Talking about prestige alone... is CMU at the same level as U of Chicago, Northwestern, JHU.. and abit higher than Michigan??? What do you guys think?</p>
<p>Are u kidding? CMU, in terms of engineering and computer science, CMU is way ahead of all of those schools, except for maybe JHU. The engineering program at CMU is comparable to only two schools stanford and MIT. That's why all those companies recruit CMU people so much more than other schools</p>
<p>I mean overall... university as a whole.. by the way.. I thought other than CS and maybe ECE... CMU is still behind Berkeley.. Cal Tech... UIUC and U Mich.. am i right?</p>
<p>UIUC isn't that good</p>
<p>CMU is definitely not behind umich and uiuc in terms of engineering. I think it is on par with berkeley, caltech and slightly ahead of uiuc and umich.</p>
<p>You should post this question on boards of CMU's "peer institutions" too, if you want to get a more meaningful set of answers.
<a href="http://www.cmu.edu/ira/peer_institutions.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.cmu.edu/ira/peer_institutions.htm</a></p>
<p>" I think it is on par with berkeley, caltech and slightly ahead of uiuc and umich."</p>
<p>CMU is definitely not ahead of umich in terms of engineering, i would say they are pretty much equal, look at the grad school rankings and even the US News undergrad ranking..</p>
<p>plus CMU as a whole doesnt compare to berkeley and umich. Berkeley has EVERY SINGLE department rank in the top 15 and michigan has every single department but chemistry ranked in the top 15...CMU is really good for business, engineering and architecture but it's definitely lopsided....</p>
<p>Berkeley and Michigan do have top rated programs down the line. A lot has to do with faculty (and much of that to their graduate programs). Of course it doesn't mean for the average undergrad sitting in humongous classrooms fighting red tape (esp at Berkeley) that it's the best educational experience. </p>
<p>I agree CMU is more "lopsided"...I think it has a lot to do with its roots as a technical school, so subjects like history and philosophy and foreign languages weren't emphasized. What it does, it does well.</p>
<p>I would most definately put CMU ahead of Michigan. Although Michigan is a top-notch program, a CMU degree is MUCH more highly regarded, even in the liberal arts. CMU gets a lot of press for engineering, buisness and the sciences, but it also has top programs in music, theater, architecture, and english.</p>
<p>Here's who CMU views as their peers. From the OP, Northwestern is the only one on the list. JHU, Chicago and Michigan are not (not that they don't deserve to be...I wonder who they consider their peers?) There is quite a variety of schools here, all good in their own right, but I don't see that they are all very similar.
Cal Tech
Cornell
Duke
Emory
Georgia Tech
MIT
Northwestern
Princeton
Renssalear
Rice
Stanford
Penn
WUStL</p>
<p>Remember U of C doesn't have an engineering school or undergraduate B-School, (I don't think they have studio art either, but I could be wrong on that), so it is hard to evaulate in reference to CMU.</p>
<p>Berkeley and Umich are great for Grad, but for Ugrad I would place CMU's amazing connections, research options, personalized learning environment, and overall reputation in the academic/job force above that of Cal/Umich. </p>
<p>I believe one goes to college primarily to learn and to get a start on a great future and CMU surpasses these schools in both these criteria with esteemed accessible professors at the Ugrad level, low student:teacher ratios, and an unsurpassed Job network.</p>
<p>How is CMU in terms of its Economics and Business networking?</p>
<p>I don't know about Economics but Tepper has been rising extremely fast in both selectivity, funding, prestige, job networking, and yield. Newsweek's article that labled Carnegie Mellon as the hottest school for a job also mentioned Tepper as a school that was a peer and a match of Wharton. The new freshman class also had many that chose the school over Stern, at least much more than a couple years ago. Just about all the majors profit off CMU's networking so I can't imagine Economics being that far off from Tepper.</p>
<p>speaking of yield i just turned down tepper, wharton and columbia for ross. I actually liked CMU more than mich at one point until i hear from my cousin, who graduated from CMU, well plus Ross > or = tepper anyway.. but to get back on topic of my cousin,
Originally a computer science major, she found out that CS is not her thing and she switched to Economics, graduated with a 3.7 average. She went back to hong kong after she graduated, and she hasnt had a job for the past year... she said..her potential employers just havent heard of CMU...and had no idea how good it is. CMU is definitely lacking in international prestige, and it's not a thing that can be fixed in a short period of time. No matter how it's rising nationally, international prestige depends on the wide alumni base around the world, which CMU, as a small school lacks.and since i m planning to go back and work after i graduate, i had to choose amont mich, columbia and penn, CMU was out of my question.. ivies open doors back home, Cal and mich are like THE SCHOOLS after the ivies, and CMU is totally unheard of..that's pretty much true in most parts of asia</p>
<p>I imagine that you'd do pretty well if you stayed in the US though. The thing about Economics is that it's under the H&SS school, which I hear is much less prestigious than Tepper. Would that detract from job recruitment in econ?</p>
<p>econ is under both H&SS and tepper, it's a joint program</p>
<p>The international thing might be true in parts of Asia, but CMU draws a lot of candidates from Korea so perhaps that may be different from HK. But then again, not many people in Asia hear or care about schools like Yale, Dartmouth, Columbia, etc. either. Successful international applicants usually work for a U.S. company such as Google in an Asian country.</p>
<p>Sad to hear your story but perhaps your sister should have worked in the U.S. for Google/Microsoft or some other such company. CMU's CS has the highest % of kids by class population going to Microsoft, for example. The big grad school names like Berkeley are indeed known in parts like China. My parents are over there all the time though and the people don't know Umich much either, or UVA. Not saying anything about these schools in particular but it's kind of funny no one knows about Brown but they'll know all the UC's. It's mostly West coast schools and then "Harvard".</p>
<p>she cant work in the states coz she doesnt have a working permit. There are actually a lot of umich alums in hong kong..and berkeley of course... ivies are the **** in asian btw..... it's sad but true.
CMU's name rings more in the east coast than most parts of the US but Mich is more of a national name becoz of the grad school reputation, and that's one of my other reasons why i chose ross over tepper, not to mention should i ever change my mind, i could always switch to another top 15 program in humanities, science or anything.
That's true considering that according to vault, berkeley and UMich were the target recruiting school for 3 out of 6 biggest consulting firm last year, CMU made none. That's more becoz both schools are bigger in size and have a much bigger name recognition due to the grad school research</p>
<p>Bearcats, that's interesting. It does make me wonder more about Hong Kong than CMU though.</p>
<p>Believe me I'm NOT disputing what you say, just curious about a few things, perhaps you can help me out.</p>
<p>CMU isn't a big school. In my son's class (recent grad) there were 30 people from Hong Kong. That seems like a lot if CMU is totally unheard of over there. Of course I realize HK has high population (too lazy to look that up). Why would they come to CMU? Are they the bottom of the barrel (don't seem to be)? I'm just asking, not disputing.</p>
<p>So unless you go to an ivy or Mich or Berkeley you effectively are shut out of the job market in Hong Kong? I'm not sure this is what you're saying but that's what I'm understanding. To me that doesn't reflect well on HK employers...sounds rather shallow actually (although forgive me I don't know anything about the culture and I don't mean to insult). How hard is it for an employer to find a copy of USNews or whatever and ascertain that CMU is a fairly highly ranked school? To refuse to consider anything beyond ivies, UM, UCB sounds close-minded and indicative of not understanding the system of American higher education.</p>
<p>What happens to all those HK-ers who don't go to ivies or Mich or Berkeley? Are they doomed to work at McDonald's the rest of they're lives? </p>
<p>Perhaps your cousin doesn't have good interview skills? I'm NOT saying this is the case, just makes me wonder since the interview is crucial to the hiring process (at least in the US).</p>
<p>S is spending most of the summer in Hong Kong on business, I'll be curious to see if he finds that same conclusion that CMU's totally unknown there.</p>
<p>btw congratulations on Ross and good luck, it's a fine choice and best of luck to you; just curious why you picked it over Wharton.</p>
<p>Thanks in advance.</p>