<p>In your opinion, what should have been the rankings for the US New Rankings of the best colleges for 2009? Specifically, any disagreements?</p>
<p>Here is the top 25</p>
<p>Top 25 Universities:</p>
<li><p>Harvard</p></li>
<li><p>Princeton</p></li>
<li><p>Yale</p></li>
<li><p>MIT</p></li>
<li><p>Stanford</p></li>
<li><p>Cal Tech</p></li>
<li><p>U. Penn</p></li>
<li><p>Columbia</p></li>
<li><p>Duke</p></li>
<li><p>U. of Chicago</p></li>
<li><p>Dartmouth</p></li>
<li><p>Northwestern</p></li>
<li><p>Wash U St. Louis</p></li>
<li><p>Cornell</p></li>
<li><p>Johns Hopkins</p></li>
<li><p>Brown</p></li>
<li><p>Rice</p></li>
<li><p>Emory</p></li>
<li><p>Notre Dame</p></li>
<li><p>Vanderbilt</p></li>
<li><p>Berkeley</p></li>
<li><p>Carnegie Mellon</p></li>
<li><p>Georgetown</p></li>
<li><p>U. of Virginia</p></li>
<li><p>UCLA</p></li>
</ol>
<p>lol, Rankings should be just like the guidance counselor reports in tiers,</p>
<p>Brown up a lot higher,
UChicago down a lot lower,
Berkeley/Georgetown up a lot higher,
WashU down a lot lower,</p>
<p>UMich out of T25? I'd put it in T25 given the great variety of strength of its programs (initiate bash battle against Phead128)</p>
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guidance counselor reports
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Do you have the USNWR guidance counselor list?</p>
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Specifically, any disagreements?
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Sorted by Peer Assessment score gives a much better list, IMHO.</p>
<p>Duke out of the top 10 and I would be happy.</p>
<p>Brown and Georgetown higher. Maybe Chicago a little lower.</p>
<p>Should be...</p>
<p>Lower: Penn, Duke, Wash U, Vanderbilt</p>
<p>Higher: Chicago, Georgetown, Berkeley, Brown</p>
<p>Since the rationale for even creating the list is that there's a set mathematical formula for compiling the data, it's stupid to speculate about what the list should be. It's all math, so by its own definition it's exactly as it should be.</p>
<p>If someone looks at the list and goes "What?!? X University is clearly better than Y University!" Well, no, because by the criteria of the list it isn't. If anything, what this exercise should tell us is that getting worked up over the USNWR is a waste of time, because the methodology is so obviously flawed in the first place that the difference between 8 and 9 (or 15 and 16, or 22 and 23, etx.) is so negligible as to be immaterial.</p>
<p>As for the guidance counselor rankings, do you really think those are any better? Maybe the rest of you had better guidance counselors than I did, but I wouldn't trust the ones at my school to know what they were talking about outside the VA region.</p>
<p>Same goes for the "Peer Assessment" score. Isn't that just looking at the societal preconceptions and throwing out all the actual hard numbers that give the rankings any validity at all? To say nothing of the fact that the non-response bias from the surveys renders the data statistically unsound.</p>
<p>Bottom line: Chill out, some of you are being idiotic about this.</p>
<p>Top 30 by Peer Assessment for 2009:</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard 4.9</li>
<li>Stanford 4.9</li>
<li>MIT 4.9</li>
<li>Princeton 4.8</li>
<li>Yale 4.8</li>
<li>Berkeley 4.7</li>
<li>Caltech 4.6</li>
<li>Chicago 4.6</li>
<li>Cornell 4.5</li>
<li>Columbia 4.5</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins 4.5</li>
<li>Penn 4.5</li>
<li>Duke 4.4</li>
<li>Michigan 4.4</li>
<li>Brown 4.3</li>
<li>Dartmouth 4.3</li>
<li>Northwestern 4.3</li>
<li>Virginia 4.3</li>
<li>UCLA 4.2</li>
<li>WUSTL 4.1</li>
<li>Carnegie Mellon 4.1</li>
<li>U North Carolina 4.1</li>
<li>Wisconsin 4.1</li>
<li>Rice 4.0</li>
<li>Georgetown 4.0</li>
<li>Georgia Tech 4.0</li>
<li>Illinois 4.0</li>
<li>Texas 4.0</li>
<li>Vanderbilt 4.0</li>
<li>Emory 3.9</li>
<li>Notre Dame 3.9</li>
<li>USC: 3.9</li>
<li>Washington: 3.9</li>
</ol>
<p>Duke and Washington U. lower.
Chicago higher.
Notre Dame, Emory and CMU out of the top 25
Michigan, UNC and Wisconsin in the top 25</p>
<p>As usual, I'm wasting my e-breath.</p>
<p>^ LOL! I hear you...doesn't make any difference.</p>
<p>Guidance Counselor Ranking 2009</p>
<ol>
<li>Yale (4.9)</li>
<li>Harvard (4.9)</li>
<li>MIT (4.9)</li>
<li>Princeton (4.9)</li>
<li>Stanford (4.8)</li>
<li>Columbia (4.8)</li>
<li>Cornell (4.8)</li>
<li>Brown (4.8)</li>
<li>Caltech (4.7)</li>
<li>Georgetown (4.7)</li>
<li>UC Berkeley (4.7)</li>
<li>Northwestern (4.7)</li>
<li>Johns Hopkins (4.7)</li>
<li>Dartmouth (4.7)</li>
<li>Duke (4.7)</li>
<li>UPenn (4.7)</li>
<li>UChicago (4.6)</li>
<li>CMU (4.6)</li>
<li>UVa (4.6)</li>
<li>Notre Dame (45)</li>
<li>WashU (4.5)</li>
<li>UNC Chapel (4.5)</li>
<li>Rice (4.5)</li>
<li>UMich (4.5)</li>
<li>UCLA (4.4)</li>
<li>USC (4.4)</li>
</ol>
<p>etc...</p>
<p>Best</a> Colleges - Education - US News and World Report</p>
<p>^ Thanks...I broke down and paid the stupid $14.95...:D</p>
<p>As for UChicago, the only reason I say a lot lower was because this years rank was #8, last year was #9, and #15 the year before that, and #14 the year before that....</p>
<p>A jump of **7 spots **in just two years. You can't ask for more than that. It is ridiculous on USNWR's part to give it T5 in just 3 yrs.</p>
<p>Georgetown should rank much closer to its selectivity rating of 13 and percent accepted rating of 12.</p>
<p>^^ Phead: Jealous?</p>
<p>^That is without question the stupidest thing I've read all day.</p>
<p>What are you even complaining about? You're both going to two of the finest universities in the world. You're going to let a magazine dictate your pride in your achievement?</p>
<p>^ What comment. ;) I didn't post any stupid commentsand delete it. ;-)</p>
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^That is without question the stupidest thing I've read all day.</p>
<p>What are you even complaining about? You're both going to two of the finest universities in the world. You're going to let a magazine dictate your pride in your achievement?
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<p>Yea really... Nobody who's hiring you or admitting you into grad schools cares about these rankings. Only high school seniors do. You go to JHU man, it's extremely well regarded irrespective of its rankings.</p>