<p>Socal -- Are you actually in at Kelley or will you have to apply?</p>
<p>Here are the business school rankings around FSU (US News). Although IU is ranked higher, I'd say you are still in very good company with W&M among others...</p>
<ol>
<li> Brigham Young Univ.Provo (Marriott) (UT) 3.3 </li>
<li> University of Pittsburgh * 3.3 </li>
<li> CUNYBaruch College (Zicklin) * 3.2 </li>
<li> George Washington University (DC) 3.2 </li>
<li> Syracuse University (Whitman) (NY) 3.2 </li>
<li> University of Arkansas (Walton) * 3.2 </li>
<li> University of ColoradoBoulder * 3.2 </li>
<li> Univ. of South CarolinaColumbia (Moore) * 3.2 </li>
<li> Virginia Tech (Pamplin) * 3.2 </li>
<li> Auburn University (AL)* 3.1 </li>
<li> Bentley College (MA) 3.1 </li>
<li> College of William and Mary (VA)* 3.1 </li>
<li> Florida State University * 3.1 </li>
<li> Georgia State University (Robinson) * 3.1 </li>
<li> Miami UniversityOxford (Farmer) (OH)* 3.1 </li>
<li> Santa Clara University (Leavey) (CA) 3.1 </li>
<li> Tulane University (Freeman) (LA) 3.1 </li>
<li> University of Alabama (Culverhouse) * 3.1 </li>
<li> Univ. of MissouriColumbia * 3.1 </li>
<li> Baylor University (Hankamer) (TX) 3.0 </li>
<li> Pepperdine University (Graziadio) (CA) 3.0 </li>
<li> Rensselaer Polytechnic Inst. (Lally) (NY) 3.0 </li>
<li> University of Connecticut * 3.0 </li>
<li> University of IllinoisChicago * 3.0 </li>
<li> University of Kansas *</li>
</ol>
<p>I have no agenda against FSU - went I went to college - I had double the ACT and SAT scores required for FSU - that was the straight quote I heard from the school - I was a fairly highly recruited athlete and looked at the athletic factories like FSU as well as the better schools - attended a USNWR top 10 undergrad school and ditto for grad school - the thought of being rejected at FSU is simply laughable. As I said, a fairly sophisticated employer in Florida that I know really well will not recruit at FSU - it just doesn't show any yield given their challenges and demands (to be fair, they look North often and only rarely take UF grads). And to the point, the issue here is whether to choose IU or FSU - unless the golf team beckons, it is not even a close choice. </p>
<p>I remember well when FSU was admitted to the ACC - there was a concern that it was an outlier academically - the ACC always prides itself on its academic standards relative to other big time leagues - witness University of South Carolina dropping out of the ACC because it objected to the ACC's then 800 minimum on the SAT, and FSU was reluctantly taken because of the significant amount of football dough it could bring. Clemson and FSU do a nice job of bringing up the back of the pack now academically in the ACC. </p>
<p>The latest academic/athletic scandal does show, however, that the more things change at FSU the more they stay the same. What other school would have to suspend not one, not two, or a handful of players, but 23 - yes - 23 players -- for a bowl game? Only Free Shoes University. One can argue it is anecdotal but heck, this is what you get with a sports team with a school attached, and majors like family life and recreation.</p>
<p>UF has become very selective, and many families won't pay for OOS college when UF can be free for NMFs and Bright Futures. FL State then becomes 2nd choice, and UCF is moving up. I haven't heard complaints from friends whose children attend Fl State. </p>
<p>I've heard good things about bus. program at UI, but also know a child who partied too much there and had to leave.</p>
<p>SoCal, you seem so serious about getting a good education with a nice college experience, that it will come down to your visiting the schools.</p>
<p>mam1959, in one sentence you claim to have no agenda against FSU, then you start calling it "Free Shoes University". Talk about contradicting yourself.
It is abundantly clear that you hold bitterness towards FSU. Your posts are full of venom and misinformation. Jealousy is an ugly trait.</p>
<p>Just because one so-called "sophisticated" employer doesn't recruit at FSU, doesn't mean that the rest of them don't. My two FSU degrees have served me really well in the job market. I really can't complain. If you ever decide to move up in the world or need a job for your kids, shoot me a PM. Until then, try to deal with your bitterness in a healthy manner.</p>
<p>SoCal, what would that 24k difference be in (family payout [can you afford it?], parental loans, student loans, etc.)?</p>
<p>^^Yah I probably should have mentioned that. It will be in student loans -- which equates to about $250/month for 10 years. </p>
<p>However according to business week, an IU grad make on average 6k more per year than an FSU grad...so if this holds true that will even out the differences.</p>
<p>And since I'm going to have a significant amount of debt, I want to make sure I'll have plenty of career options. And IU has a 91% job placement rate - which is great!</p>
<p>So right now I'm pretty sure it's IU for me.</p>
<p>24k is not a significant amount of debt. Work 10-15 hours a week and a summer or two and you will have more than enough to pay the difference. It surprises me that you know you want to go to IU and your still trying to find a reason to justify that you shouldn't based on 24,000 dollars</p>
<p>"What other school would have to suspend not one, not two, or a handful of players, but 23 - yes - 23 players -- for a bowl game?"
I thought it was significant (positively so) that FSU suspended the players rather than attempt to delay the penalties or sweep the scandal under a rug. Hmm... a very different take on this situation.</p>
<p>^^^jasmom, you’re completely correct about the situation. Some people just choose to let their personal agenda get in the way of facts. </p>
<p>SoCal, sorry for hijacking your tread. A certain individual just needed to get called out for making some asinine comments. Good luck at IU! It's a great school.</p>
<p>southpasadena,</p>
<p>I really want to go to Indiana, but my debt after graduation is very large, and I'm worried I will be living paycheck to paycheck. I basically have to pay for OOS tuition with loans. I mean I can work on-campus and during the summer, but the rest of the tuition will be in loans. So I figure roughly $64,000 at Indiana, and $40,000 at FSU. </p>
<p>That is a lot of debt...but I really want to attend one of those schools. I have UPortland as a much cheaper option because I got a scholarship, but I just don't want to go there.</p>
<p>But anyways, based off the average IU starting salary, and living in Chicago, Indianapolis, or Minneapolis I should be able to pay off my debt in 10 years while still living a comfortable life.</p>
<p>Thanks for the help.</p>
<p>SoCal18, </p>
<p>Please, please reconsider going into that kind of debt for college. You cannot base anything on charts of starting salaries. Back in the 80s, plenty of people went deep into debt going to law school because of charts like that-- and when they graduated, the market was flooded with lawyers. Many ended up making way less than they expected. It is hard to predict what the economy or job market will be in a few years-- or even what your personal situation will be. Life has a way of throwing curve balls. </p>
<p>If you really want to go to Indiana, I suggest you find a way to pay for it. Find out if you can work at the school and get a tuition benefit and find out if that benefit is immediate or you have to work there for a certain amount of time. Maybe you can defer your admission for a semester or a year while you get a job there. </p>
<p>Or find out if you can go to a community college for a couple of years. </p>
<p>Or consider moving to Indiana and becoming independent and a resident. </p>
<p>I don't know how you should do it but I really, really think $40K or $64K is just too much debt.</p>
<p>First he cannot become independent for another 6 or so years or until he is 24</p>
<p>I thought 24k was total. By working part time - 20hrs or less - and staying summers for summer school fresh and soph year, you can finish early, have time for a jr internship, gain work experience, still have time for school and ec's. </p>
<p>Think if you can graduate just one semester earlier - given you are able to at your school - you will have 9 months before the traditional time when a recent graduate will start a job. Yes you can start in the winter, but more have formal starts during aug/sept. During that time as a college graduate, you can get a decent full time job and live at home and use all your proceeds from those 9 months to pay off debt. You can easily clear out 20k by doing this. Working part time for the other 3.5 years will easily get rid of another 20k and you should have some money left over from a decent internship. It all adds up and you can easily start your real part time job with 15k or less in debt which is not bad at all. And lastly, you can be even more ambitious with your grades and scholarship apps so you can be rewarded money.</p>
<p>This is just an idea, an idea that i will be using since i will be graduating in the fall or winter instead of the traditional spring. Great job if you graduate then = tax preparer. Get paid anywhere from 12-25/hr and you can get free training by participating in volunteer tax prep offered by the irs. And you should have plenty of opps for jobs in the area. I realize santa barbara and its metro is probably a little larger than bloomington, but it is still a small area and i have found opps for current students at small ibanks, a single hedge fund, some firms that do real estate investing, some firms that help with valuations and offer vc funding, plenty of acct opps, plenty of marketing opps, some investment assistants, etc.</p>
<p>And you are lucky that they will be lowering lending rates for the next few years, all the way down to i believe 3.0%. Dont know the exact timeline of each cut, but this should help out as well.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info southpasadena!</p>
<p>I'll definitely do what I can to lower my amount of debt. I'll have to look into everything you suggested.</p>
<p>SoCal-What do your parents think?</p>
<p>SoCal -- If you didn't get direct freshman admit to Kelley, is it very competitive to get in later? Not to put too fine a point on it, but you were not admitted to many schools you applied to (what happened to Pepperdine and Miami?) You have posted before that you haven't really worked that hard in high school. Are you prepared to really work now that you are in college? All that stuff about sports and atmosphere won't mean a thing if you are struggling academically and don't get into your business program.<br>
Taking out all that debt is a serious thing.<br>
Sorry if my tone seems harsh -- the mom in me is coming out. I really do wish you all the best!</p>
<p>I hear back from Pepperdine, LMU, and UMiami in April. But I really like Indiana and FSU so that's why I'm focusing on them. And I'm not a direct admit, but I know their requirements and I'm positive I can get in. And if something went wrong...as long as you minor in business you can use Kelley's career services.</p>
<p>And yeah the debt really sucks, but I'm willing to do it because I believe I will be happier at Indiana, and more successful if I go there.</p>
<p>Thanks...this thread can end....I'm just going to call FSU and find out about their career placement before I eliminate them from my list.</p>
<p>SoCal, I just wanted to weigh in briefly on Florida State University. It is a beautiful campus with a large national alumni base. The University of Florida has been aggressive in the past decade recruiting the top Florida students, but Florida State has their share of excellent students as well. My son graduated from a very successful IB High School and has many friends at both schools. The particular programs you mentioned have always been strong at FSU and are ones that I am personally familiar with having graduated from FSU with a B.S. in Business Communication,a Communication degree with a marketing minor. You will not be disappointed with these Colleges.</p>
<p>Despite the small minded comments of some posters, Academics are alive and well at FSU, if you have any doubt just check out our most recent Rhodes Scholar, O'Shea</a> earns Rhodes Scholarship - News
whom I'm sure enjoyed a more than a few Football, Basketball and Baseball games along the way. I too have enjoyed many football games in Tallahassee, but they are not the reason to go to school there, it is too hard to predict the way the Football winds will blow. I wish you could travel to Tallahassee and Indiana. There is nothing like being on the campus to get that gut check on what is best for you. Wishing you the very best in making your decision and thoughout your college years.</p>
<p>Thanks for the FSU info. I'm still reading everything I can about the school...but right now I just don't see myself anywhere other than IU.</p>
<p>The posts on this site about FSU are ridiculous. FSU is a large school with a great deal of notable programs. The undergraduate school one attends is a personal choice and has many different factors. For instance, I was accepted, with scholarship, to University of Miami, University of Florida and Florida State University. However, I wanted to study music and therefore chose FSU. The other two schools have great programs and I certainly may have chosen one of the others for certain majors, but FSU was the best fit for me as a musician. Florida State is getting increasingly more difficult to attend especially in their limited access majors like music and film. </p>
<p>FSU can provide its graduates with a great deal of opportunities whether they are starting a career or going to graduate school. A good friend of mine transferred to FSU from UF with the plan of going to medical school and a UF advisor told him that if he went to FSU he would not be accepted anywhere. Not only was he accepted everywhere he applied including Johns Hopkins, Columbia and Stanford, he currently attends the number 1 ranked medical school in the country, Harvard. There are many fine students at Florida State including three Rhodes Scholars very recently, one in 2006, 2008, and 2009. There are many great programs as Florida State and it would be wise to educate yourself about these programs and caliber of students before you start insulting the school and its current students and alumni.</p>