Inside Medicine. What Are You Seeing? [COVID-19 medical news]

Decreasing severe illness, hospitalizations, and death mean nothing to you???

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Sounds promising:

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Interesting observation here: since spring, people who have gotten boosters show a higher case rate, but a lower death rate, compared to those who got primary vaccination only (with both much lower for cases and deaths than the unvaccinated). During the winter surge, both case and death rates were higher for those who got primary vaccination only compared to those who got boosters.

Unfortunately, the chart seems to allow separately graphing by either age group or vaccine product, but not age group and vaccine product. However, the observation that case rates are higher but death rates are lower appears to be the case across all age groups or vaccine products.

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I agree it prevented illness in the original form and the delta variant. There is no true data that the current vaccine prevents or even minimizes the newest variants. Also there is no long term data on receiving boosters every few months and the effect that will have on an individuals immune system. Healthcare specialist are still finding adverse effects from medications that have been around for decades upon decades like acetaminophen, aspriin etc. There is no way any scientist, health care expert or anyone can know long term effects of a vaccine that was developed quickly. I am extremely thankful the vaccine was developed quickly and it saved lives but it does not any longer and there are other therapies to consider. I believe there is no expert of this newer virus and was schooled to challenge what you think you know.

No I am not against those things as at all. I spent much money on testing to keep it here safe and I am vaccinated. Before home testing was available and during spikes when I couldn’t get into the doctors office or a pharmacy for testing I if someone had any clips symptoms we went and to a private lab in town and paid $100 a test to be sure. I have spent upward of a thousand dollars on covid tests. I am not bragging as I feel blessed to have the means to do so but I tell you becaise you are judging and you are way off. My entire family tested positive - at home -I was prepared and bought tests when I could, to make sure we would be keeping ourselves and others safe and we self reported and stayed home and wore masks until the 10 day period. I believe most people are tired of covid at this point but that doesn’t mean they won’t do the right thing. What ever happens to not judging a man until you walk in their shoes? Can’t understand all of the wrongful assumptions and the people thinking they are so much smarter, more educated than other that don’t share they’re perspective. It’s so hypocritical for one to act like they are the only ones who care about others and then sit in judgment and negativity if they even perceive they aren’t agreed with. Everyone is figuring this out together and no person has all of the answers. There can be more than one way to approach a problem/ pandemic.

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It means a lot to me. There’s no actual proof of that since in the variants since delta. You don’t have to be so angry with your 3 question marks. It’s ok to have a discussion. I am not personally attacking anyone else. I am simply saying that if one prefers a vaccine a new one needs to be developed -distributed, there are other forms of therapy now and many people may need no vaccine at this point as the current forms of covid are like a mild flu or a moderate cold. I see this as a good development in covid. Why would it be upsetting? I am not against vaccination at all. I do think there are many more autoimmune problems in people now and we should be very careful what we put into our bodies.

I’m not going to do a lit search for you, but nearly all of what you’ve written is demonstrably false. The unmodified mRNA vaccines don’t prevent illness against the new variants nearly as well as they did against the original wild type, but they still do provide added protection. More importantly, they offer protection against severe disease, even though the latest variants are less virulent. There are many publications on this.

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I can say the same to you. I’ve read research that shows there is no notable difference in severity or morbidity in vaccinated vs unvaccinated vs previously infected patients since the omicron variants. Yes, great difference in vaccinated vs unvaccinated pre omicron- thankfully!

I have not seen this data, do you have a link?

The vaccine is never 100% effective. There’s nothing preventing someone from getting Covid if s/he doesn’t take any other precaution because of her/his vaccination status or prior infections. We all agree that the vaccine’s effectiveness is decreasing with each new mutation of the virus. However, not only the vaccine is still effective at reducing the severity of an infection, it still helps reduce transmissions because it still suppresses to some degree the quantity of the virus in infected but vaccinated people so they don’t spread as easily and widely as they would have otherwise.

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That is not actually known. That is an assumption and a hope and a marketing tool. There are more transmissions than ever. That in itself shows you’re data in accurate. More people are vaccinated and boosted and transmission is at its highest

This is known in the lab. We don’t, and likely will never, have the data in the real world because transmissions are taking place under so many different circumstances.

I don’t know what your background is to be qualified to assess this? I have been a sub investigator in 14 clinical trials. I have a reasonable facility with the literature. I’ll leave it at that, as we’re slipping into debate, a violation of the TOS.

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I agree. Citing articles is not petty. I said I believed citing article/research against article/research is petty. There is plenty of scientific research available on both sides of the position. Why go down that rabbit hole? Because I don’t want to be bothered going toe to toe against article after article doesn’t make someone else right or wrong. Also, so you are aware I am only responding to those tagging me. If anyone does not want to hear from me I can understand that- my husband feels that way from time to time, and seems many on this post
you can discontinue tagging me.

On the one hand, :popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

On the other, please don’t respond as it could get the thread locked, and that would be a shame as there is all sorts of valuable info posted.

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YLE writes about the rise and fall of various Omicron variants, including a BA.2.75 variant. Meanwhile, BA.5 is currently the most common in the US.

I think you’ve answered my question, thanks. :slightly_smiling_face:

An interview about a small but interesting long COVID study (the study is linked in the interview but as usual, it’s too technical for me): TVO Today | Current Affairs Journalism, Documentaries and Podcasts

The study authors have found a correlation between long COVID symptoms and the MRI measurement of reduced oxygen exchange between the air sacs of the lungs and the red blood cells.

The study group were all nine months out from infection and experiencing a variety of symptoms. It’s really small, only 34 in the study group and six in the control group, but this result still seems very promising if it can point us to where to look as we try to address long COVID.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.abq0839?adobe_mc=MCMID%3D13534703165886037823734444914798828448|MCORGID%3D242B6472541199F70A4C98A6%2540AdobeOrg|TS%3D1657031461&_ga=2.148249591.1578319343.1656969987-1539684278.1656679986&cookieSet=1

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Cool for those of us who aren’t scared off by new types of vaccines. :sunglasses:

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