Interested in Applying to MIT. What are my chances?

Hey guys, I’m currently a junior in Highschool. I’m a white 17 year old male from Arizona. MIT is my dream school. I’d love more than anything to go there, but I’d like to know if anyone would know my chances of getting in? I just got my ACT score back: a 32 composite. I am taking 3 AP classes (Calculus, Physics, and Literature). My school doesn’t offer any, so I’m having to learn all 3 of those on my own. I’m president of a FIRST FRC robotics team and I have been an officer since my freshman year. For the past three years, I have spent easily over 400 hours with the team. I have a 3.9 GPA.

Is there any other information that you would need? What do you think are my chances of getting in? I’d love more than anything to go there. Is there any way to raise my chances too?

Students with perfect grades and scores, lots of ECs and state-level awards are rejected from MIT all the time. I’d advise you to start putting together a more realistic list.

I’d strongly recommend that you give up the idea of a dream school and work to create a solid college list that includes reach, match, and safety schools that appear affordable (find out your parents’ budget and run the net price calculator for each school) and that you would be excited to attend. The people I see who get hurt by the college admission process are the ones who focus on one or two hyper-competitive schools and then don’t get in. Cast a wide net and recognize that (assuming no major hook) MIT, with an admission rate under 7%m is a reach for anyone. And FWIW your ACT is below the average MIT score https://mitadmissions.org/apply/process/stats/ You need to expand your horizons and recognize that there are many wonderful schools out there where you can have a great 4 year experience and get where you want to go in life.

Welcome to CC, @Palidos :slight_smile:

First, read this from MIT (and go have a good root around their websue https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/applying_sideways/

Then get ready for the usual CC questions & comments:

  1. Can you afford MIT? They do meet full need- as they define ‘need’. Sometimes colleges think that you “need” a lot less than your parents think they need Be really, really sure about your budget.

  2. What do you love about MIT? Figure that out, and then identify a bunch of other places that have most of the same things (I know- there is no ‘other MIT’, but there are a lot of places that will tick most of the same boxes. Park all fantasizing about MIT until you have picked at least one college that you are pretty much certain to get into, AND that you can absolutely afford. Most likely is UA: if that turned out to be your only choice would you cry? If so, keep looking. If not- great. Some reachy places you might check out are GaTech, UPenn, Cornell, JHU and CalTech. A (little!) bit less reachy include places like WPI, BU, UMi, UWa, Likely places include ASU (Berman for Robotics), maybe UC-Boulder, UMd-CP,

Start there and put together a list of possibilities. Figure out what makes each of them good or not so good for you

Then c’mon back - there will be a lot of opinions!

Any “chancing” is a guessing game when you are applying to these ultra selective Universities.

You might be surprised to learn there are a good number of universities out there where the average student has a GPA above 3.8/4 (i.e., unweighted). That is, your peer group will be there and you can probably move on to the graduate school of your choice if you do well. Also check for real employment data and not rumors. Most of these universities are well grounded with undergraduate research.

This does not mean you do not throw your hat in the ring if you really prefer MIT, but take some serious time to learn about your other options and always have a solid backup you can be comfortable with… By way of example, the average GPA at some of the universities listed above are the same as yours. These students can do anything if motivated by a comfortably fitted environment.

Do you want Robotics? What are your other possible choices as almost 1/3 of the time students end up discovering new/related ares? This will help you to locate options.

32 is on the lower end IMO. That doesnt mean a 32 is instant rejected.

Get it to at least a 34 to have a great chance.

The rest cant be judged by me, but its all great! Its worth and value to the class (thats the worth of EC’s and Essays) will be determined by the adcom.

Dont worry, do your best in the EC’s… write essays by heart… proofread them by 3 other ppl at least and urself… and try to get the best numbers u can (SAT IIs, ACT, GPA)

Thats all.

“Some reachy places you might check out are GaTech, UPenn, Cornell, JHU and CalTech. A (little!) bit less reachy include places like WPI, BU, UMi, UWa, Likely places include ASU (Berman for Robotics), maybe UC-Boulder, UMd-CP”

I agree with this said by @collegemom3717

All the above are prestigious schools in their own accord… with great (jobs) salaries after graduating (on mean)… and great experiences. But a good number of them are exceptionally well in a specific aspect (major/interest/facility… and so on… like for example UMD: CP’s CS dept has the same rank as Harvard… with a 9-10x acceptance rate)

It’s a good set to borrow and apply out of, but apply to MIT too. Definitely worth a shot. Just keep doing ur best in everything before applying…then I’d say its a good shot… otherwise dont bother.

@Palidos

See the complete 2018 WPI Robotics job and graduate school placement for 2018 by clicking the year 2018 and looking on page 52 of this report… Note the double majors.

https://www.wpi.edu/student-experience/career-development/outcomes

Poke around other years and majors.

This a unique approach to robotics. See the Robotics Advisory Board @ https://www.wpi.edu/academics/departments/robotics-engineering/rbe-advisory-board

We did surprise MIT in an upset win about five years ago in the national Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) competition. It just fired MIT up to work harder. Where would they be without us?

The average, unweighted GPA in the last WPI entering class was 3.89. MIT’s must have been 4.0, but we know we can beat them!

We really don’t care what their ACT score is!

WPI '67

WPI is an awesome school! I doubt MIT has a 4.0 avg of incomings… Ik 2 kids from NJ who got in, one have 3 B’s and a C on their transcripts, and one havin’ a B, a C and a D even.

I doubt… the average is about 3.8-3.9 for MIT definitely. But for internationals about 100 are taken off 5k-ish… so better aim for the full grades there always.

Idk the avg admit GPA’s of WPI, but idk if its 3.89-3.9.

Again, an avg. GPA is a good rule of thumb, but I’d say a 3.8+ or a 3.75+ even (but a great valid excuse for it) shouldnt deter u from applying, as at these top schools, many factors come in play.

Again, the bottom line is to craft ur app in a smart way to hide ur ‘cracks in armor’ as much as possible, without lying ofc. Also remember to be confident. THey’ll sense the lack of confidence thru ur material. Thats not good. Top schools defo want 1 quality: confidence to achieve excellence in some form.

@TheGuy1

The average WPI GPA of 3.89 was taken directly from the WPI website as reported on the Common Data Set (CDS) for the class which entered in the Fall of 2018. These numbers are not made up. They are not based on rumors which are often passed around.

See https://public.tableau.com/profile/wpi.institutional.research#!/vizhome/WPICommonDataSet/CommonDataSet

Go to section C, First Time, First Year Admission, and page down to section, C12, for average first year GPA and you will see 3.89… This GPA is unweighted on a 4.0 scale.

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I have two main questions and a suggestion.

“MIT is my dream school”

Why? What is it about MIT that makes you want to go there? I am asking this for two reasons. One is that you should make sure that it is really what you want. The other reason is that there are a great many very good universities. If you understand what you want in a school, then this will help you to find other universities to apply to what would also be a good fit, and that might be a little bit easier to get accepted to.

Also, what are your finances? Have you run the NPC on MIT, and is the result affordable for your family?

My suggestion is that you apply to MIT (after first thinking about what you want in a school and making sure that it is likely to be affordable), apply to other universities, and keep an open mind.

I am also wondering why you are studying AP literature on your own. This seems like a hard thing to do for a STEM oriented person who is also self studying for two other AP tests.

There seems to be a persistence among students and parents to hang on to brands they have already heard of before they even explore what is available. Brand names became so popular that accountants even developed the concept of “good will” entries on corporate balance sheets to account for this behavior. “Good will” is the implicit assumption that something better is in the can, box or vehicle.

We would all be better served and learn more if we would take the time to follow “DadTwoGirls” advice.

When I interview applicants to MIT I ask DadTwoGirls’ first question: what about MIT makes you want to go there? Something like about a quarter of the time do I get an answer that has some real thought to it. The worst answer, in my opinion, that I get is “because it’s the best”. To answer the question properly one must understand what is available at MIT and how that fits with the applicant’s goals.

Most of the applicants that I’ve had that were admitted were able to give a good answer to that question. The most popular answer is that they have a friend that goes there. Not a good answer.

I agree with @retiredfarmer

WPI is a pretty honest school for publishing the numbers.

I’d say those are a byproduct of admissions, the main point in that being overall profile.

Again, id stress on a 3.75+ rule, since an avg. 3.89 means lower GPA’s get in.

All I said is idk if its 3.89, and never doubted the credibility of ur statement, since while i was typing this i really didnt know for myself (by self searching) about this.

@TheGuy1

To properly deal with the issue of college admissions, one needs to grab hold of some basic truths in human behavior as they are measured by statistical (i.e., problematic) models. If we do not pay attention to this “maybe” aspect, GPA, SAT, ACT, et al, the analysis is reduced to OVER simplifications. Over simplifications are easily repeated and we are all experts on subjects we have not studied.

Putting a number on our human behavior, does not make it a science. It is here that an art form takes over to help us move down the road to discovery.

It seems to be human nature to look for the quick way out. This is particularly true when there is too much reading and reflection involved. Can’t we computerize it?

By way of example. A bridge engineer may construct her bridge “by the book” and proudly boast that it is indestructible because they followed the official guidelines as publish, Did they question the probability of the underlying assumptions (e.g., earthquake, wind speeds, rainfall, etc)?

Why pick 3.75 when many 3.5 QPA’s will do better? What happens if the 3.2 student has an interesting patent pending?

How about taking the time to look at the whole problem. It is called holistic admissions. It is not necessarily, an excuse to accept the weaker student because you need to fill your class. Clearly, MIT does not have the time because of a sea of applicants. Perhaps the rest of us can pick them up!

Like many other Universities and Colleges, many remarkable WPI successes were dropouts., but they did learn and used resources while they were there. One had already developed his foundation project while he was in HS. We actually had the flexibility and equipment that he needed. He stayed only two years. Today he has well over 400 patents.

Another student was dyslexic, stayed two years and was promoted to full fledged engineer by a major computer company a few years later. He had made a very significant breakthrough. He was promoted to a full design engineer with no degree on his resume. He went on to another field and because a self taught world expert. Just read a book of his on an early alchemist. Power by curiosity, this dyslexic taught himself a medieval version of Italian and dug up the history while spending time in Florence libraries.

One is very rich, the other is financially secure. Both are real winners! Their SAT’s and GPA’s may not have predicted these results. Conversations with them as they entered University told one a great deal. Their desire for discovery was genuinely fired up!

@retiredfarmer I agree, and really wish for that to be the case, maybe that is the case, but the majority of admit cases arent such… and since the reject rate is high, we never know which of these surprising candidates were turned down.

True, that is not the majority of cases, but even MIT is trying to find them. They just have too many applications. Students need to look around and do some real work to match themselves to a program and not just to a name.

The irony is, it might be happening more frequently at some of the less competitive Universities and Colleges. Of course each individual knows their qualities, but is not in a position to judge the other applicants qualities. They also need to know how to communicate effectively.

It is not easy and it is not an exact science. That is why we pick a range of options, but it is the responsibility of the applicants to do the preliminary matching. Sticking with a name alone is just not doing the job. Competitive institutions know that.