International? IS IT FAIR FOR US???

<p>Can i know how many international applicants actually made it through transfer this year? I have seriously doubt whether the admission process was "fair". I mean yeah, they look at a lot of things, namely:</p>

<p>Character
Leadership
Extracurricular
Recommendations
Essay- style
Academics
Experience(s)- work charity, blah blah blah
and the unique aspect of each individual applicant. (if i left out something please comment on it)</p>

<p>So i have heard back from 4 out of 10 universities that i have applied to, and i know that this year, the acceptance rates is RIDICULOUSLY low... like stanford with 20/1400 (that's like 1%!) etc... </p>

<p>I don't mean to sound arrogant, but i am sure i am AT LEAST STATISTICALLY qualified to be on the waiting list.. however, i wasn't even waitlisted at ONE single university, so the only disadvantage that i feel i am lacking behind from is the fact that i am an international applicant from Canada (and i travelled alot when i was in my high sch years).. what is the international transfer rate like?? International student bodies in prestigious schools ranges from 10%-25%, so does that mean my transfer rates are actually lowered by another 10% ?? </p>

<p>If you are an international applicant, post your stats here, I wanna know how hard is it for us to transfer(obviously there's gonna be a few exceptional individuals who made it this year congratz) but i just wanna know whether it's as "fair" as it sounds since on most sch's admission websites, they emphasize that they don't discriminate against international applicants and there's no quotas etc, but who what about grades conversion? in singapore, an A is like 75% but in the states it's somewhere about 90% right? how will that affect an international applicant and are there adequate measures to aid international applicants?</p>

<p>What happened this year? was it because of the effects of the baby boom? i noticed there's A LOT MORE KIDS born in 1988, 1989, 1990, and 1991 compared to the rest of the years..
Gd luck to all, and to all who failed, there are a lot of paths to success</p>

<p>Fair? It will never be. We have to work harder, aim higher, and be better than domestic applicants, and this is understandable. The only advice I have is to transfer in from an US university so the admission com. can better compare your abilities to the rest of the pool.</p>

<p>Damn you are right, I feel i ****ing wasted my entire year</p>

<p>Hey, let me remind you one thing. The acceptance rate is very low, especially this year. But others years it isn't far more, and you knew it. Knowing that statistically only a part of the admitted transfers are internationals...it was only normal for you to be rejected.
No matter how good your application is, you just can't hope to be admitted by transfer when only a few are admitted, because its only luck.</p>

<p>Just out of curiosity, why is it more difficult for international transfers?</p>

<p>I know one California girl trying to get into the University of Alberta who is having similar problems.</p>

<p>i don't feel i was treated any differently being rejected by any institutions as a result of my international student status. i'm currently attending a california community college, and although we're all pretty much screwed with regard to financial aid, i doubt our status has anything to do with the likelihood of us being admitted (although my rejection by berkeley with a 3.92 gpa was a little surprising). good luck to all the others in our position. i'm sure we'll all find homes at fine universities soon.</p>

<p>^Jackms each country has to protect its national's rights to education</p>

<p>^jna how were you treated? all you receive is a letter of rejection.. obviously they are not going to disclose all of their policies to the open public. since the universities i was referring to were all private, they have the right to do wadever they want and reject whoever they want.</p>

<p>well, i've been accepted so far to UC Davis and Michigan Ann Arbor, and was rejected by Rice, UC Berkeley and Stanford. all in all rice and stanford aren't all that surprising, but i was really surprised about Berkeley. My gpa was much higher than many other students who were admitted in my major (Econ), and i come from a california community college, which i guess is priority one for them. IMO i wrote some **** good essays, and have taken above and beyond the required courses for the IGETC, but for some reason i was rejected. aside from that, i'd say i did relatively the same as everyone else with my stats.</p>

<p>^jna congratz on your acceptance, however, i do not believe you qualify as what i call an "international transfer applicant" since you are transferring from an AMERICAN college, you do not suffer from grades discrepencies etc..
I was referring to people who are NOT US citizen AND NOT transferring directly from any american academic institution</p>

<p>^^ ah i see. with regard to those students, some of the smartest people i've ever come in contact with have attended school in se asia, mostly from vietnam. it's funny how many of these students were relegated to some ****-poor schools as a result of this, even though their rigorous secondary school curriculum blows the united states out of the water. perhaps there is something to your argument. these students have come over here, and absolutely coasted through their four-year programs, and usually acquire graduate degrees ahead of schedule.</p>

<p>It's harder for internationals because they don't contribute taxes. You could think of it as tax payers paying internationals to attend schools in the US. Think about the taxes that went into the local police, water, buildings, electricity, etc.</p>

<p>Hmm, think it's fair? I was accepted at Cornell last year and placed on a fin aid waitlist. They said it would make their work difficult working out my aid if i defer so i shd reapply, as a transfer, i would surely be readmitted. So i applied toonly 2 schools;harvard and cornell. I called one of the admission officers n explained my situation to her. she encouraged me not to worry cos they would admit me if they pick my file and realize i was admitted last year. 2 wks lateri checked online and i was rejected with a 3.9, super 18 credits, no intro courses. I'm now waiting 4 harvard ,june 1st n we all know it's almost impossible.I will go to med school in ma country next semester if i don't get harvard.It's never been fair 4 intls!! Believe it or not!</p>

<p>Well essentially you're applying to leave your country. If you get into college here you will have full access to the US. Obviously it's going to be competitive- especially for Stanford and ivy league colleges.</p>

<p>It's probably harder for non-citizens of your country to get into your country's best colleges? I feel like I'm missing something?</p>

<p>"the acceptance rates is RIDICULOUSLY low"</p>

<p>how did you do on the TOEFL?</p>

<p>in my opinion, it's easier for internationals to get in....you contribute greatly to the diversity of the class and (less high minded of the institution) you're sure to be paying lots of money to attend...acceptance rates are silly. there are a million kids who can play the cello and flute simultaneously and have also almost cured cancer and written a novel and are accomplished mimes. if you are rejected from a school, it doesn't reflect badly on you.</p>

<p>you also might want to consider that in the states schools focus on personal characteristics, your essays and recommendations as much as they do on numbers.</p>

<p>i went back and read your post. you're from canada. did you spell "a lot" as "alot" in your essays?</p>

<p>^^ i seriously doubt it. man, we have some real ball busters on here don't we?</p>

<p>hey! chill out. You still have 6 to wait and I am sure at least one of them will accept you, unless all of them are ivy league. look, I mean the only way that can smoothen the process in transferring to US college is by being in the US. Some of my classmate back in my home country do reli well, I mean awfully well, but when they transfer directly from my home country to the US, 10 out of 8 schools rejected her. I think the difference between the education systems in different countries reli matters, the US don't have time to do analysis on every grade you got or your qualifications. I mean the US college like international students, they do like us, coz we paid out of state and we don't allow to apply for financial aid and stuff. Its not just the matter of fair or unfair. It involves luck as well.</p>

<p>Speaking of contributing to diversity, there's a big disadvantage coming from a country with a huge representation in the US. South Korea, Malaysia, and China are examples. </p>

<p>Perhaps they like people from Gabon (no offense:) )</p>