I just noticed that my posts are a mess capitalization wise. I am typing on a phone, and auto correct keeps revising capitalization, so I am truly sorry.
How is my writing BTW? I have been told that my phrasing is odd.
Basically, I would have to be among the top 30 int’l premeds in the US. It is a very hard task, but definetly possible with enough work and dedication. Of course that is the way I see it, and I may well be wrong.
@momrath thanks for telling me that. Rice is off the list for ed then.
I shall try to extract as much info as possible from the common data sets.
BME at JHU is basically as selective as Princeton for an international with need. The issue isn’t just to get it, it’s to not be rejected because of your financial need.
However, you will be considered in your own context and you’re right that being an Iranian is a hook of sorts.
Since you know people in Canada, you also should be looking at Canadian universities for your undergrad degree. Spend some time looking on their application requirements, and the scholarships that might be available for international students.
I did, but I did not find any for undergraduates from other countries.
Also, most are merit based so they should be pretty competitive.
The big question is, will requesting aid from need awards make them as hard to get into as Need blinds like Princeton?
An international applicant who needs financial aid should consider all colleges and universities in the US that do not specifically guarantee admission and merit-based aid for that students grades and ACT/SAT scores to be reaches. It really is that simple.
Stop trying to parse the difference between need blind and need aware. Make your list, and apply. Expect to be admitted by very few, and expect that your financial aid will not make most of those places affordable. But remember that you only need one affordable admission (and it could come from the guaranteed merit-aid list) in order to be able to study in the US.
@happymomof1 thank you for your answer;
I fully understand that, and I have taken a look through your list to find a number of “safeties”. that is schools that have not listed us citizenship/ permanent residemcy as an eligibility requirement for merit aid, and offer aid automatically.
What I am asking is help with organizing the list of " reach schools ", so I can use my early chance to the highest effect.
Thanks again for that list. It is very helpful.
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that is hardly true. I know that both HMS and yms enroll about 10-15 internationas from a pool of 500 appliCants. This means a 2% admission rate,the same as us nationals.
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lol… I hope you’re smart enough to see the problem with that argument. Domestic students can and do apply to 10-30 US MD schools with the hope and ability to be accepted into any of them. Domestic students have about a 50% chance of getting into at least one US MD school.
Domestics don’t just apply to H & Y and put up with a 2% acceptance rate. Domestic applicants have about a 50% chance of being accepted to at least one MD school. That is a vastly different situation
There were 20,071 international applicants to US medical schools in 2011. Out of these, 228 (1%) matriculated to the first-year class. Of the 54 medical schools that matriculated international students into the first year class, 35 (65%) were private schools and 19 (35%) were public schools. (the above is from a med school's website)
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^^^Those aren’t very good odds at all. And of the 54 schools that accept applicants from int’ls, some will only accept from Canadian citizens.
Also, yms, HMS, geffen offer need aid to internationals. vandy offers aid in the form of need-merit.or that is what they said over the phone. It is very hard, but not impossible at all.
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Geffen does not provide any aid to int’ls. They clearly state that.
I don’t know if the Vandy person you spoke to understood that you were asking about an int’l applying to its med school.
Does VUSM accept International Students? VUSM will consider International Students for admissions. Universities attend by International Students must be fully accredited. In most cases, students who have attended universities exclusively outside the United States have chosen to supplement their studies with at least one year of course work at an accredited university in the United States.
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Each college or university attended by an International Student must send an official transcript directly to Vanderbilt. It is the student’s responsibility to make these arrangements. Each of the courses listed in Vanderbilt’s Admission Requirement must be represented by a letter or number grade.
If you need a student visa (F-1 or J-1), you must be able to document that you have the financial resources to pay for (at a minimum) one year’s expenses each year.
If you need financial aid, you may apply for institutional need-based funding to determine eligibility. To be eligible for Federal loans, you need a permanent resident visa or an immigrant visa if you are not a U.S. citizen. Private funding sources may be available. International students can generally obtain a private alternative loan if a U.S. citizen or permanent resident is willing to co-sign the loan.
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Y and H offer SOME need based aid (they do NOT come close to meeting need for med school - I know that for a fact). Yale and H use sort of a shared responsibility for med school…school help, parent help, student help. Int’ls have to obtain funding from family or home-country for the parent help and student help portions for all 4 years.
Don’t confuse the generosity of a school for needy undergrads with what is available to med students, particularly int’ls.
Just be aware that as an international, your chances of matriculating at a US MD school are very slim, and even more so if you can’t cover the costs. The fact that it’s not impossible is not that relevant when the odds are so low.
@Soheils - None of us are university admissions officers who will be reading the ED applications, so none of us can tell you if there is any place that is likely to admit you ED and offer you the aid you need. You have to decide for yourself whether you think ED is useful for you or not, and you have to pick your ED institution yourself.
@mom2collegekids thank you for your answer;
I never stated the chance for US students to gain entry to any school was 2%, and I did know of the 50 percent .
I was simply saying that it was possible, though the odds make it into an uphill battle.
I admit, I was trying to "somehow prevent "this discussion. For that, I apologise sincerely. It may seem strange, somewhat stupid and immature to you, and i agree،in hindsight.but I was hoping to increase the odds of a quick answer by preventing divergence. Again, I am very sorry. This is no way to treat somebody who helps you.
I was wrong about geffen. They may have misunderstood me، as you said.
The fact of the matter is, there are so many variables at work here. My family recently started a (by Iranian standards) big business venture with the help of an investor, and, there is a good chance of my financial status changing in 4 years.
Also, I am not really interested in a MD as much as I am interested in MD/PhD. According to this post, there are some schools that fully fund int’ls. Of course, this list is by no means official.
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Also, as I said before, there is a chance that I have a Canadian cosigner, making it easier for me to get loans were i to go to Canada, since my uncle is a citizen. I will have to make sure he is open to That though.
And most importantly, I am not set on med. I am not even dead set on BME, but I feel that it corresponds to my interests quite well.
@happymomof1 I am not asking you to give me a list , nor will I consider you responsible(mentally) if I fail. I am simply asking for advice. You have given wonderful advice until now, and I am just checking to see if “there is more from where that came from.”
Thanks to everybody for bearing with me until now.
PS; I took my sat ii’s yesterday and I think I Will get 800 on math 2 and 770+ on bio.I have no idea about chem though, but 700+.
Look into FAU’s Wilkes Honors College. They have full ride scholarships, OOS tuition waivers, and 3/4 tuition waivers scholarships, a “medical scholars” program, lots of research opportunities. It’s a small campus aside from FAU’s main campus.
@MYOS1634 thank you for that excellent option.I will call them to make sure they accept and fund int’ls As soon as I get back to Iran.
PS: everytime I see your name, I think of two cells dividing. In Iran , we call meiosis Myos.
It’s funny and nice, thank you.
Yes they do fund internationals - but there are limited scholarships for them and OOS students (they’re judged as one group). More FL residents are funded, which makes sense since they’re a public honors college.
@MYOS1634 am ashamed to say that don’t understand the concept of rolling admission well. Can I just send an app today and recieve my decision in a week or so?
And just to be clear, do you consider this school a safety, match or reach for me?
Thanks for your response