<p>so I was talking with one of my friends a couple days ago, and I found out that I am going to have to apply as an international student when i apply to colleges because I have an E2 visa and no green card even though I've been living in America for over 13 years...(i'm korean). but anyway, since I'm an international student, I've been told that it's going to be a LOT more harder for me to get into an ivy league school since they somewhat base acceptances on financial needs? Is it true that international students have a lot harder of a time getting into ivies? Could someone explain to me what being an international student really means and how it will affect my college application process? </p>
<p>yes, it’s true. If you see an RD rate of 5%, it’d be 1% for internationals. However, check to see how E2 visas are considered since typically we’re talking F1/J1 visas. In addition, is there any way for you to apply for a green card since you’ve lived here for 13 years? It’d make everyone’s life much easier.
You’ll be considered alongside Americans for your schooling, but within the international pool for financial aid. Because FA is very limited, competition is insane.</p>
<p>The only tell you two pieces of information I can tell you for sure are that most universities have a limited financial aid budget for international students (i.e. students not eligible for federal and state financial aid programs), and that the top universities have a lower admission rate for international applicants in aggregate than for domestic applicants in aggregate. (A few years ago universities published domestic and international admission rates separately. At MIT, for example, the international admission rate was half of the domestic admission rate, with both being in the single digits.) </p>
<p>That being said, I don’t think anyone on this forum really knows what your base admission rate would be. For example, if you were not applying for financial aid, it’s possible that your application might be evaluated like the application of any other domestic applicant since you’ve been educated in the US. Applying for financial aid would complicate matters since then you are competing for limited funds. </p>
<p>Financial need also makes it a lot more difficult to find a safety. Could you pay for your public in-state university out of pocket? (I assume you’ll qualify for in-state tuition rates since your E-2 visa does not preclude you from establishing a legal domicile in the US, but you need to double check the tuition classification rules in your state.) </p>
<p>International students as you have mentioned are NON (US CITIZENS, PERMANENT RESIDENCE or REFUGEES).
As an international student, you are not qualified for FAFSA, so the college has to fund all of your bills that is if you can not afford to pay it or get loans from your home country.
That being said, IVY’s is no exception. However, if during admissions, you indicated that you do not need financial aid from the college, and can afford to pay your way through, then it is possible, that with GREAT TEST SCORES, GPA, EXTRACURRICULARS, etc…, you might have a better chance than say an international student that needs scholarship from the school in order to attend it.
Regardless of status, VERY SELECTIVE school including Non-ivy’s are a long shot for just about everyone. So you do not want to put all your eggs in one basket here. Apply VERY BROADLY…
Best of luck to you.</p>
<p>Okay, back up a bit.</p>
<p>First, as far as I know, if you don’t have a green card or Canadian landed immiigrant status, you will be treated as an international.I suggest you take a look at <a href=“http://www.edupass.org”>www.edupass.org</a>, particularly the section on financing an education in the US. </p>
<p>Some of the Ivies, including HYP and MIT, are need-blind for internationals. That means in choosing among internationals, those who need $ will be treated no differently than those who don’t. Others, including Brown and U Penn, are not need blind for internationals. That doesn’t mean they won’t give $ to internationals–they do. However, in making decisions, how much $ you need will be taken into account. They may choose, for example, to admit 2 internationals who need to have half their way paid rather than one who must have everything paid. </p>
<p>I would emphasize the importance of getting the green card. Assuming you have an E2 based on your parent’s investments, you will not be able to renew the visa after you turn 21. You will either need your own immigration status or return to Korea. </p>
<p>I’m not familiar with the green card process at all…i just now that it takes a long time and its hard to get one. Whenever I ask my parents about it they just say they’re working on it…but I will look into it to see If i can get one before apps. Thanks for the help everyone!!</p>
<p>@Jonri: Refugees are not treated as International. And you use the Canadian immigrant status as the only country that immigrant come from. Immigrant status is having a US Green-card (Permanent residence) regardless of country of origin. Refugees are traeted as immigrants for FAFSA and other benefits that immigrants get. The same is not applicable since he is “A NON-IMMIGRANT” (meaning he came to the US with no intention of immigrating ofr permanence residency.
Certainly, he or his parents can apply for an immigrant visa, but have to meet the qualifications, then wait in line as millions are currently waiting for an open number BASED the quota in their region/country. Except by marriage to US citizen, Lottery or Government expedition, getting a green card is not that easy. For some family it has taken over 20 years and still no Number available for them yet.</p>
<p>As per the college financial status. Yes, need-blind, but that does not mean that the schools do not recognize that you checked the financial aid box during application. The term “NEED-BLIND” is very overrated. We have seen these cases here all the time, so checking the financial aid box on your application is always a caution for any college, and Those claiming to meet 100% of students needs are no different -, knowing well that they will have do just that should you get accepted.
Check: can you look at these colleges that meet 100% of demonstrated need % of International students admitted? That is small for a reason, because someone (the College) is footing the bill.
No one should think that by requesting Financial aid during application, that it does not somehow a factor in their chances of admission. Again checkout the US data that just released a research of # of pellgrant student and institution/ success. It tells it all.</p>
<p><a href=“Pell Grant Recipients Are Underrepresented at America’s Wealthiest Colleges”>http://chronicle.com/article/Pell-Grant-Recipients-Are/126892/</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/economic-diversity-among-top-ranked-schools/spp+50”>http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/rankings/national-universities/economic-diversity-among-top-ranked-schools/spp+50</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2013/10/17/measuring-colleges-success-graduating-low-income-students”>http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2013/10/17/measuring-colleges-success-graduating-low-income-students</a></p>
<p><a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2012/10/04/how-successful-are-colleges-at-graduating-low-income-students”>http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/college-rankings-blog/2012/10/04/how-successful-are-colleges-at-graduating-low-income-students</a>.</p>
<p>OP, Best of luck to you.</p>
<p>I do stand corrected if refugees aren’t treated as internationals. That said, you are mischaraterizing everything else I said. For example, I said:</p>
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<p>I most definitely did NOT “…use the Canadian immigrant status as the only country immigrant [sic] come from…” What I DID say is that US green card holders AND Canadian landed immigrants are NOT treated as internationals by most US colleges and universities. (Some colleges and universities don’t treat Mexicans as internationals either, but that is more unusual.) I wrote that because many immigrants to Canada who DO have landed immigrant status are unaware that MANY US colleges, and specifically all of the Ivies, to the best of my knowledge, do NOT treat them as international students. </p>
<p>Nothing in my message said or implied that getting a green card was easy. I didn’t even discuss the topic.</p>
<p>Pell Grants are ONLY for US citizens. Thus, none of the articles you link have anything whatsoever to do with financial aid for international students. The articles themselve say this. From your first link:</p>
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<p>Pell grants ARE federal financial aid. </p>
<p>If you read all of the links, you’ll note that they do NOT support your claim that the need for financial aid is factored into admissions decisions for international students. They only talk about DOMESTIC students and make the point that some top tier colleges are need blind for DOMESTIC students but nevertheless have trouble attracting low-income students. For example, one article says:</p>
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<p>That statement means that Yale (one college that is need blind for BOTH international and domestic students), does NOT consider need in making its decisions. It simply says that many people see the sticker price and ASSUME it’s too expensive. The article is about how hard these colleges are working to enroll low-income DOMESTIC students. You are claiming that the percentage of Pell grant holders at these colleges prove that they discriminate against students who need a lot of financial aid. My post didn’t say anything whatsoever about this topic. The articles, though, don’t say that. Instead, they use the low percentage of Pell grant holders at these colleges to prove that their efforts to attract low income students have been unsuccessful. So, none of these links support your argument even of DOMESTIC students. Moreover, the data in them certainly was NOT “recently released.” It’s out of date. </p>
<p>Again, I would urge the OP to check out <a href=“http://www.edupass.org”>www.edupass.org</a>. </p>
<p>u can get into ivy leagues but it is impossible to get finacial aid</p>