<p>Hi I'm an international student from Turkey. Although I am from Turkey I lived in America for most of my childhood but when I was in the 6th grade we moved back to Turkey. I am not a citizen of America but I wish to study In America. I have searched relentlessly for universities that give financial aid to international students but most sites just write down Ivy league+ MIT+ Stanford and leave it at that although I am a very well of student ( I mean grade wise and whatnot) my English is not what it used to be because of time corrosion and having most of my classes in Turkish. So I got a 2070 on the SAT (800 math 640 reading 630 writing). From what I have found from my research most universities don't really care how much you get on the TOEFL as long as you pass; I'm going to take it in 2 months time and I'm confident I'll get at least 110 out of 120.
My GPA is a 3.8 or 3.9.
As of next year I will have taken 4 years math (calculus and everything included)
I will have taken 4 years Physics, Chemistry, Biology
I have competed in my countries physics Olympiads and have done well on a national level but have had to give it up due to the university exams in Turkey and the SAT
I have done tutoring (With my physics Olympiad training) and various services for my school such as being a host 3 years in a row for my schools English quiz show or being leader of the comity witch helps out international guests
I have multiple medals and honors from Chess.
I have played basketball for my school team and school club but not competitively
I have been in the student consul for 3 years and have represented my class each year ever since I have begun high school.
I have taken 2 years of Viola lessons but am still not very good at it.
As a hobby I have learned HTML code very well and a little bit of C and C++
My high school is a private science academy that I got into by placing in the top 0.01 percent in Turkeys national high school exams(700th out of a million people). my high school accepts only 40 people each year and awarded me full scholarship. Since it's such a competitive high school and since there are only 40 people I am 7th GPA wise in my school so my percentage doesn't look so good.
With these I know that Ivy is probably going to be pushing my luck are there any schools that would except me that gives need based aid. Oh and what are my chances at an Ivy league or MIT
Oh and I'm going to be in the 12th grade next year</p>
<p>*So I got a 2070 on the SAT (800 math 640 reading 630 writing). From what I have found from my research most universities don’t really care how much you get on the TOEFL as long as you pass; I’m going to take it in 2 months time and I’m confident I’ll get at least 110 out of 120.
My GPA is a 3.8 or 3.9.
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<p>Your chances at an Ivy, MIT, or Stanford are not high. Those schools are VERY hard to get into …even if your stats were higher…and even if you were a domestic student.</p>
<p>Some of those schools are “need-aware” for int’l students.</p>
<p>How much aid would you qualify for? how much will your family pay?</p>
<p>What is your major? Engineering?</p>
<p>I wasn’t sure about a part of your post…were you saying that you know someone who got a merit scholarship at another school? Yes, some schools will give good sized merit to int’ls, but they aren’t schools like MIT and the ivies.</p>
<p>I wish to apply to an engineering college. My main question was if there are any other schools like the Ivy colleges which give out aid. My family wouldn’t be able to pay much the average salary in Turkey is much lower then that of America even if we’re well off here I expect that we’re near the poverty level in America :). I know a couple students who graduated from my school who went to MIT but they went as transfer students after getting into schools here so I can’t really relate to them. Which part didn’t you understand I would be more then happy to clarify.</p>
<p>Ahhh…now I understand. :)</p>
<p>My main question was if there are any other schools like the Ivy colleges which give out aid.</p>
<p>There aren’t many schools that have Engineering, that also give lots of “need based” financial aid to Int’ls. I can’t think of any schools that aren’t ivies, Stanford, or MIT that give lots of need-based aid to int’ls…and have Engineering. </p>
<p>Maybe someone here knows of some schools. </p>
<p>There are some schools that will give merit scholarships, but they won’t cover everything…your family would still have to pay for some of your costs…like room, board, books, personal expenses, and travel.</p>
<p>Are you saying that your family can’t pay anything? If so, then your chances of coming to the US for school are not good.</p>
<p>I came up with this list (for a friend) for the “other” full need schools for internationals, or just schools at which internationals can get good aid. It is NOT, by any means, a complete list.</p>
<p>Most are Liberal Arts schools, so you’d have to comb through the list to see if anything fits.</p>
<p>Swarthmore College
Occidental College
Connecticut College
University of Chicago
Cornell University
Smith College
Wellesley College
Williams College
Colgate University
Vassar College
Reed College
Bryn Mawr
Lafayette College
Brown University
Rice University
Middlebury College</p>
<p>My Parents will be able to provide the traveling expenses, books, rent for some time I’ll also probably get a job to help. If the school were to provide the tuition I’ll be able to get the rest of the money in order.</p>
<p>Thanks for the help kayb :)</p>
<p>No problem! Feel free to PM me if you have any questions. I can try to help :)</p>
<p>As Kay mentioned, some of those schools are Liberal Arts schools and don’t have Engineering. </p>
<p>Keep in mind that if you do get a full tuition scholarship, you have to show that you have the other funds (for room, board, personal expenses, etc) in an account in order for the US to give you your VISA. Can your family do that? </p>
<p>And…jobs for int’ls are limited …there are rules about how much you can work and such. Hopefully someone who knows the details can expand on that.</p>
<p>I believe that for your first year you are only allowed to work on campus unless your career strictly requires it. I’m not sure about the following years. I DO know there’s a limit on hours…I’m thinking it’s 20 a week but I might be wrong. This is all for the F-1 visa, btw. Don’t know if the J-1 or other visa types have different limits.</p>
<p>They’ll be able to show the money. My dad got his masters degree and doctorate from America so I asked him about the job he said the same thing as kayb that universities normally allow international students to work for the university normally up to 20 hours. What would I have to do to get a chance at an Ivy? I’m going to take 3 subject tests in October I’m just about positive I’ll get at least 750s on math 1 and physics and at least a 700 on my math 2 would this in anyway help? Thanks for all the help :)</p>
<p>Of course that would help. Don’t listen to people who say that is a low score for Math 2 - I got less than that and got into an Ivy (UPenn). It’s not the ONE test that matters, it’s the application as a whole and a bit of luck.</p>
<p>If you retake your SATs and bump up that reading score (which is hard, I know) you could have a much better shot…but honestly you don’t need absolutely perfect scores. Your ECs sound impressive, especially the national Olympiads and the school you got into.</p>
<p>You might want to look through this kind of thread: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pennsylvania/1102778-university-pennsylvania-class-2015-official-rd-decisions-thread.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/university-pennsylvania/1102778-university-pennsylvania-class-2015-official-rd-decisions-thread.html</a></p>
<p>That way you can get an idea of what it takes to be accepted at different schools.</p>
<p>You’ve been a great help thanks for everything :)</p>
<p>You’re welcome 
Feel free to PM me if you need anything.</p>
<p>spike…the Ivies accept 10% or so of those who apply. In the 90% who are denied admission are a LOT of very well qualified applicants. Just do your best…apply to some Ivy schools if you want to…but have a back up plan for if that doesn’t work out.</p>
<p>You mention that some students from your school transfered to MIT after going to school in your country. Why wouldn’t that be something for you to consider?</p>
<p>Well firstly it’s because my English is wasting away; time is corroding my speech away and an American teacher at my school told me that I would probably get my old English back if I were to go stay at an English speaking country for a few months but he said to go ASAP. Secondly I have just about never heard of anyone going directly after high school it would be a great plus on my resume for the future. It’s not a life or death situation if I can’t get in I can’t get in my grades and classes in Turkey are more then enough to get into the top colleges here but as I said I have these reasons. On a more personal note I also miss America :)</p>
<p>Well I learned that the SAT 2s are not like the SAT 1 and they let you make more mistakes like on the math2 a 40 out of 50 is 780! I didn’t know that and I’m going to take the SAT 2s in 2 months if nothing goes wrong that day I’ll probably get near 800s on all 3(math 1 math 2 physics) because I’m getting close to 800s right now. Would these scores give me a better chance at Ivys?</p>
<p>The Ivies do require SAT II tests…BUT it’s unlikely they will trump a less than stellar SAT I superscore.</p>
<p>And even IF you get 800s on those three SAT II tests…you need to also realize that there are MANY applicants to Ivy schools that get similar stellar test scores.</p>
<p>Remember, your application for admission will be competing with other international students which is a VERY strong applicant pool typically. There is speculation that acceptances for international students is actually well LESS than 10% of those who apply.</p>
<p>Seriously…you need to broaden your college search. The Ivies are not a certain thing for ANY applicant (unless you happen to be the offspring of the U.S. president). There are hundreds upon hundreds of WELL QUALIFIED applicants who do not get accepted.</p>
<p>I understand that; that’s why in my first post I asked if there were any other schools like the Ivys which gave out good financial aid to internationals. I really wouldn’t mind in the least if I went to a lesser school but unfortunately lesser schools tend to not help out internationals. That’s why I want to know what my chances are at an Ivy if you know of any other schools which have engineering programs that give out aid please help me out. Thanks for contributing :).</p>