<p>Hey.. I was just wondering if there is any international student(with aid) here on cc.. Had to ask some questions..</p>
<p>Does anybody have an idea about how many international students applied to Smith and how many got accepted last year.. I have been searching everywhere but couldn't find anything on it.. Couldn't even find the acceptance rate..
Is Smith really generous in giving Finaid to intl students.. I read somewhere that Smith gives an average of 40000$ to international students.. Is that true..???.. because its a greater amount compared to what MIT, Harvard, Yale or even Princeton gives ..
And how competitive exactly is Smith's intl pool applicants.. Because as far as I know.. Smith is really not famous amongst intls.. Atleast here in India.. Everybody thinks of only the top notches..</p>
<p>Any help would be great... Thanks in advance..!</p>
<p>The most recent numbers I have are from fall 2002. Back then 148 out of 613 international applicants were admitted, I would guess 30-40 of them with financial aid (a total of 114 international students received college-administered financial aid in that year). Nowadays Smith probably gets even more applications from abroad.</p>
<p>The international fin aid-seeking applicant pool actually is quite competitive; that is because apparently most of the 600+ international applicants apply for fin aid and only 30-40 of them get it. I applied to Smith last year for fin aid and was rejected. You can have a look at my stats profile if you would like.</p>
<p>Rashi, the reason you get a lot of views and not many replies is that most of us don't have International-related experience, let alone with respect to financial aid for internationals and, since we don't have anything to say, we don't say anything.</p>
<p>Hi rashi, I think the acceptance rate for international student appying for financial aid is roughly 20% a few years ago(I remember seeing the statistic somewhere). I would expect it to be lower now, since more international students are applying to Smith. For my class year(2011), there are around 25-30 international students with financial aid. Financial aid is based on need, I feel that the average financial aid for international student at Smith seems higher because we have more students with higher need. The international student with fin aid pool is typically one of the most competitive pool for admission at Smith.</p>
<p>Did you try emailing the admissions office? They may be able to give you more up to date figures on the acceptance rate and what the average financial aid pay-out is. Like blur said, aid is based on need, and I imagine it would be quite a competitive pool because it is so expensive to go to Smith and there are many international students with high aid need. </p>
<p>Again, I would get in touch directly with the admissions office and student financial services for more definite and up to date information. You may be able to ask the admissions office to put you in touch with another indian student that you could talk to about your speicfic questions.</p>
<p>"I read somewhere that Smith gives an average of 40000$ to international students.. Is that true..???.. because its a greater amount compared to what MIT, Harvard, Yale or even Princeton gives .."</p>
<p>For the last year for which Common Data Sets are available, Smith is second in the country for need-based aid per student attending. Neither Harvard, Yale, nor MIT rank in the top 10 (Princeton is number 9). Of course, this says nothing about how internationals are treated, but I am willing to bet there is a higher proportion of internationals receiving full or near-full need-based grants than at these other institutions (just as it is for non-internationals). </p>
<p>But admission will be competitive (as it is for internationals at other schools).</p>
<p>Thanks for so much input guys...
Smith says..
Every correspondence you make with a college is saved and included in your application folder... <<<Does that mean correspondence made through emails too.. because in that case my email wouldn't sound appropriate if I would be prying them to divulge out the details.. </p>
<p>I think the pool is definitely competitive in context to stats n all.. But then I suppose that there are many students who apply to Smith without any genuine interest i.e. Smith is not their first choice(do you think I am right..??).. As a result may be Smith tends to accept students that they think will matriculate(Don't know if I am right there too..)..
That is just what I think.. And so I made sure that from every angle.. my application including the recommendations shows my real love for Smith(a plus point right..??).. My teachers have mentioned how much I want to be at Smith..</p>
<p>@smithieandproud.. Is smith understanding..?? as in.. My high school record and ec's are really great.. But my SAT II and TOEFL results aren't (just about average).. which was because of my health conditions.. and my EC has mentioned this.. Do you think they'll understand..
and I am giving January SAT I.. wil it be a disadvantage..??? because on smith site they have mentioned that January is the deadline.. And in some pdf document.. December as their deadline..</p>
<p>Well, Smith obviously accepts students it thinks will matriculate, but while some students may apply without a genuine interest, there are many students in the international community with a serious desire to go to Smith. This is not to say that you won't be accepted, but just know that all of Smith's admissions are competitive, especially when the applicant pool is smaller like in the international arena. </p>
<p>I wouldn't worry about your scores too much, as long as your TOEFL score falls within Smith's average range or whatever. Smith has a holistic application process, meaning that they're not obsessed with just test scores, but with your entire profile (marks, extra curriculars, essays, etc.). If you're worried about your scores not reaching Smith in time, please do email the office of admissions and explain to them. They know best what their own procedure is.</p>
<p>Mount Holyoke, Reed, Oberlin, Smith, Amherst - I didn't have Caltech numbers, but I am sure they would be there as well. The number is obtained by taking the total amount of institutional funds spent on need-based grants, and dividing by the total number of students attending. Naturally, this is a hybrid number, reflecting not only overall generosity to those requiring aid, but also the percentage of the student body receiving it. Amherst and, to a lesser extent, Williams, for example, have higher average grants per student receiving them (Princeton is still lower), but fewer students receive them - and I expect this is especially true among internationals.</p>
<p>rashi, I don't think Smith is need-blind, especially for internationals, and the fact that B@rium was not admitted seems to prove that. On the other hand, I can confirm what Smithieandproud says about test results. My D had brillant HS results but her SATs, both I and II were definitely below par. On the other hand, they might have taken into consideration the fact that no classes were taught in English!</p>
<p>(Smith also gives out about $4 mil in merit aid - mostly in the form of STRIDES.)</p>
<p>Institutional Grants-in-Aid per Degree-Seeking Student Attending</p>
<p>Smith - $14,996 Princeton - $11,457<br>
(Smith's is 31% greater)</p>
<p>Average First-Year Student Grant in Aid
Smith - $28,223 Princeton - $26,121
(Smith's is 8% higher)</p>
<p>Folks tend to assume that the Ivies, and especially, HYP are the most generous institutions in terms of aid. But the data show clearly, by virtually any measure, that this simply isn't the cae.</p>
<p>In random tips document, Smith says "Every correspondence you make with a college is saved and included in your application folder"... <<<
Would it be appropriate then to ask them to divulge out the details through emails..???</p>
<p>And last, what is parent recommendation..??... As in.. It was talked about on last years thread.. I didn't read anywhere this time that such a recommendation is required in an application..?</p>
<p>It's not required but parents were sent a letter from Smith that said it would be nice if they could write a letter recommending their daughter. I wonder if my parents have done that yet, I should ask...</p>
<p>A parent letter isn't required and imho should be done very carefully or not done at all. A letter saying "My daughter is great, please take her" is of dubious utility, I believe. A letter that reveals aspects of the applicant not otherwise brought out in the application is a good thing, again, imho.</p>