International's chances for MIT or other universities with good financial aid.

Hello everyone, I am a senior high school student from Argentina wanting to get admitted into an american university to study aerospace engineering. I plan on applying to the ivy leagues, mainly due to the fact that I would need financial aid to pay for my studies; the universities I am applying to are MIT, Standford, and Yale. I may or may not apply some others but I have no idea what chances of getting admitted are. I dont know if these universities will care about the experience i havewhich have been mostly out of school and with things i have done on my own with little to no help. I will tell you everything about

-My school is one of the toughest in the country, the highest average grades in my school are of around 8.6/10, and I dont really understand how colleges handle translating those grades into GPA. My average is 8/10, but if we were to look only at my math, chemistry and physics grades, you would see an average of around 9/10, which is easily amongst the top 10% of my class. I got a 2000 on the old SAT, and will be taking the new test in november to improve on the score. Next week im sitting for the math II subject test, so wish me luck :slight_smile:

-There are no clubs in my school, so the EC I have taken have been on my own, and have been very much limited by having to pay them. 3 years ago I took up German, initially just because i was interested in the language and wanted a challenge. I have a level equivalent to B2, which is fairly good, and am hoping to sit for the Goethe B2 exam next year, i will take my time to do well. It has been relatively useful, as it has helped me read material on rocketry that I otherwise wouldnt have been able to understand, such as papers on old german technology (the OTRAG series of rockets mainly). I also speak french, a language I have been learning since primary school, and spanish of course. I play the piano, and will be sending a music supplement of me playing a couple of bach’s preludes and fugues from the well tempered clavier.

-The main thing that sets me apart, i think, is my passion for space and rocketry. The potential that space, and the time to do things in the industry seems to be now. The interest I had for rocketry led me to start working on my own experimental rocket motors, as high power ones are hard to come by here in argentina. I wanted to test whether my interest in the field was real enough that I would be willing to take on a hard challenge. So, when I was 15 I built my first motor with potassium nitrate and sugar as a fuel, and PVC tubes for the combustion chamber. I had to learn a lot of math, I had to teach myself a lot of calculus to understand the mechanics and dynamics of a rocket, as well as some thermodynamics and chemistry. I designed, built, and tested engines going up to 1000 n.s of impulse, completly on my own and with a fair share of failures on the way.
I then met a person at an entrepreneurship’s course who was building a nano satellite manufacturing company, we had a good chat about where the industry was heading and where the possibilities for the future were. He told me that once i was done with high school i could do an internship there no problem.
After that I started designing a rocket for hail supression, and in my efforts to make the project more customer driven i contacted the people in charge of the anti hail campaign in my country. They were extremly interested in what i was doing but explained to me some of the reasons why they thought it couldnt work, luckily though they contacted me with some other people in the industry, engineers and scientist from the Air force, a couple of people from our national space agency, and also some scientists who had managed to sneak NASA. This year I visited a local university where they are building an orbital launch vehicle (they are contractors for CONAE), they were impressed with the things i had been doing and helped me with some of the problems i was having with the flight simulation program i was working on. I went there several times after that, and got to meet the dean, who was please to have me there and told me he could guarantee me a spot the following year to start working on the rocket there, in light of how passionate he thought i was about the project and my ability to learn pretty fast.
-This year i was invited to the biannual space technology congress; there i got to see some pretty cool stuff, and discuss my research with other people who were doing similar things. I also took part in the first space generation workshop in south america, I was involved in the group that analyzed the possibility of creating a south american space agency, its great because the recommendations we wrote are going to be read on the next meeting of the united nation’s comitee for the peaceful uses of outer space.
I also started building a two stage rocket with some students from the university of Tijuana who contacted me after seeing what i was doing. I optimized the rocket using the simulation program i had written and some very simple rocket design laws to estimate the weight of the rocket and characteristics of the engines. I performed a static test of a miniaturized engine which went just fine, and then tried to launch the second stage but had a failure and lost the vehicle. Back in tijuana they managed a sponsor to get us 1000 bucks, with which we will using to build our first rocket. That same sponsor also put us in touch with the president of the baja california aerospace cluster who is interested in the project, told us that he would be willing to give us up to 20k when we had a couple of launches and had developed the necessary technologies.
More recently I went back to the anti hail rocket drawing board, and joined a team who had done some experiences in the field. We just built 3 rockets to test the various components that we need, and will be lauching them later in october. I already started contacting the people i know in the anti hail campaign, to go visit them and see their operations, trying to get some better numbers on their current operation costs.

So, having said all that, do you think I have any chance whatsoever of getting into any of the universities i listed? It is my dream to go to the US, where all the great geniuses of rocketry have worked some time or another; mainly because it is a lot easier to get funding and to find the right people needed to start up a company in the space business (though its still hard…). Thanks a lot for reading so far! Please tell me what you think, I dont want waste time and money applying to the us if my chances are slim and i will only get frustrated.

You should assume that any of these schools understand how foreign GPA’s would translate; that’s the least of your worries.

The reality is that any well-qualified international applicant to any of these schools with a low acceptance rate will have a 2-3% chance of being admitted. Top colleges have a formal or informal cap on how many international students they will accept . Unfortunately with a 2000 SAT, you have an uphill battle.

Thats what i thought, thats why im retaking them later in november. I got such a low score because i went there completly unprepared, it was the first time i took the full test (as in hadnt even taken the full test for practice, only the math section). Do you think having an interview might help? If so i will apply for colleges that do offer them here in my country.

Applying only to MIT, Stanford, and Yale is setting yourself up for failure. These are all very competitive universities for everyone, no matter how good of a student you are or how passionate you are. You should certainly apply there though, because of their generous financial aid policies. However, you have to do research and find other colleges that still offer financial aid, but are less selective. You MUST have at least two safety schools. If money is an issue and you can only apply to a few colleges, be very careful about picking which ones you will apply to.
As mentioned above, you also need a higher SAT score, for which i am assuming you are studying really hard. You should also consider taking some subject tests - maybe in math and physics? - to better showcase your abilities. Since you are building freaking rockets, they should be a breeze.
As for your EC`s, they are obviously amazing and will play a key role in your admission to any US college.
And if you can, you should DEFINITELY have an interview. Getting college admissions officers to see that you are not just a piece of paper will work to your advantage.

From one international student to another, I wish you the best of luck and hope that you get to become an engineer!

I agree with @skieurope, those schools are tough for everyone. In addition, most aerospace companies can only hire US citizens. I didn’t really read most of your post, it was too long. The main determinants are GPA and test scores. The universities want to see that you can do well in a variety of subjects, not just aerospace, so to graduate from a US university will require coursework that has nothing to do with your major.

If you plan on doing aerospace, assume that you will be returning to your country for jobs.

Bear in mind that that schools that are need-blind for int’ls are also the hardest ones in which to get admitted. Look also at schools where int’ls are eligible for MERIT scholarships. The chances will be better.