<p>While W&L is certainly both a good school and a small school, I find this hard to believe and would be curious to see any link on this. Maybe, in one specific year, but not consistently. I've met many more bankers from Bowdoin, which is about the same size as W&L and Williams, which is only ~ 25% larger than W&L. In my and my roommates' analyst classes there were several from Williams and Bowdoin and none from W&L. Do you mean graduates going into their first year of an analyst class or overall bankers at all levels?</p>
<p>At the end of the day, the top recruited schools in the IB world are the usual suspects. This is not to say just going to one of these schools will be enough. You have to kick a** once you are there. Look at what lengths that Yalie went through just to get into the door at UBS. C'mon, setting up your non-profit??? Something must in that water in New Haven!</p>
<p>Generally, have at least a 3.6 gpa, major in something quant related, be a leader and have great social skills.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>BTW, I see that TTP is still quoting Dean G. C'mon, give it a rest! I still don't buy all this PR stuff put out.</p>
<p>Don't know that story unless you're referring to the video that makes it appear that he's benchpressing 450 lbs, when in actuality the three spotters are doing all the work.</p>
<p>Yup, that's the one. I thought I was the only one who realized that he had spotters on that clip. Hilarious! His resume and coverletter is floating around CC somewhere.</p>
<p>I almost think that's got be a joke. It seems impossible to me to be smart enough to get into Yale and yet stupid enough to think that video would be helpful in applying for a job.</p>
<p>What is this video about? lol</p>
<p>You should be able to find it here.</p>
<p>or, google aleksey vayner.</p>
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Sakky - so students who actually get into Cornell but also get into Duke choose Duke typically, but students who didn't apply to Duke at all are more likely to apply to Cornell? This makes sense.
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<p>Like I said on the other thread, if you don't understand the study, then read it yourself. I and others (like afan) are here to help you understand if you have difficulty with it.</p>
<p>The crux of the argument is that there are some people who obviously only apply to 1 of the 2 schools. Some students apply only to Cornell but not Duke. Others apply only to Duke but not Cornell. You then have to compare what these students would have done if they had applied to and gotten into the other school. The RP study modeled this behavior and determined that, on the whole, more people would prefer Cornell to Duke after you factor in all of the people who applied to one school or the other.</p>
<p>Let me make the example more extreme. Very very few people apply to both Harvard and San Jose State. Maybe only 1 or 2 a year. But I think we can all agree that the vast vast majority of people in the world would prefer Harvard to San Jose State. Heck, even moany San Jose State people would prefer Harvard to San Jose State. They just didn't apply because they didn't think they could get in. But if they could, we both know that many of them would go. </p>
<p>In the case of Cornell vs. Duke, the simple fact is, there are a lot of people out there who will just apply to all 8 Ivies just because they're Ivies. All they want is to go to an Ivy. Whether that's right or wrong for them to do that, doesn't matter. All that matters is that there are people who do that.</p>
<p>Note, the RP study is just that - it is a study of PREFERENCES. Sometimes people prefer things that are not necessarily good for them. But that's not what the study is attempting to measure. All it is measuring is what people prefer, regardless of whether people should prefer them. </p>
<p>But what it also means is that Duke should be donig things to make itself more preferred. Otherwise, people are going to continue to see it as a less desirable school than Cornell - in fact, so much so that plenty of good students won't even apply. </p>
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However, Duke doesn't need those students to apply anyways judging from comparisons of student bodies at each of the school
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<p>And that's precisely the sort of attitude that will continue to keep Duke less preferred to Cornell. If you have the attitude that you don't really need those students, then you're not going to fight for them and consequently you will never get them.</p>
<p>Look, if you want your school to get better, then you school can't just win more cross-admits. Your school also has to attract interest from those students who don't even apply. Harvard, for example, attracts the very best applicants from all over the world, just because, like it or not, Harvard is Harvard and has that killer brand name. I'm not saying that Duke is going to approach Harvard anytime soon, but if Duke wants to raise its profile, then Duke will have to do things to become more attractive, i.e. developing and marketing its brand name.</p>
<p>Sakky, I wasn't being sarcastic. I actually do understand the RP a bit thanks to your many explanations answering my many questions. I'm just saying that for some reason Duke's stats are pretty high already compared to schools that students are more likely to apply to based on the survey. Thats all.</p>
<p>Porsche...Dean Guttentag was quoted in so many places and never contradicted...but didn't we already discuss how you really don't know anything about schools outside the Northeast anyways? As in, many independent sources besides Duke also contend Duke is better than many other schools, including collegeboard, US News, WSJ, THES, NMSC (National Merit Scholars) and so on.</p>
<p>Btw I'm making a video right now for my app to UBS, thanks...haha</p>