<p>Hi Vladenschlutte, I heard it was hard to get into ioe graduate level classes, which 400-500 levels did you take and how did you place into them? What math classes did you take? Are the math classes much harder/rigorous than the ioe classes here?</p>
<p>and do you take spring/summer classes? which ones do you take? any recommendations? is it hard to get a 4.0 IOE gpa and what tips do you have on how to study for ioe courses?</p>
<p>Nubswitstubs can answer some of these questions to.</p>
<p>I took 510 and 518. I know Nubs took 510 also, but we had different professors. As for math classes I took 423 and 451 (and IOE 510 is cross-listed with Math 561 so that too kind of). You don’t have to place into them, just sign up for whatever you see open that you want to take.</p>
<p>423 wasn’t really hard in my opinion. 451 was hard but not insane. I’d say both 510 and 518 were harder than Math 451, but probably not a whole lot. If you’re an IOE undergrad I’d recommend you take 310 before 510, I didn’t do that but I think it would make 510 a lot easier if you do. Compared to undergrad classes, I’d say Math 451 is harder than IOE undergrad classes. </p>
<p>It’s hard to get a 4.0 in anything because you’re very likely to get an A- in something and then your 4.0 is gone. I’ve stopped worrying about my GPA much, as it doesn’t look like it will have much impact on me in the future. I’ve had a number of classes I simply didn’t care about the material in and don’t worry about low grades in those classes. If you really care a lot, you can probably do pretty close to a 4.0. I know Nubs has a high GPA and I think he’s had a 4.0 for the last few terms so he might be a better person to ask on what to do if you really want a 4.0.</p>
<p>what year are you entering, and what courses have you taken in the past?</p>
<p>Although I have not taken any graduate level classes myself, some of my friends say that IOE 510 (linear programming 1) is one of the hardest ioe classes at UM and probably should be avoided unless you are really into OR.</p>
<p>Apparently, the benchmarking class, IOE 541 (inventory and production analysis) and IOE 522 (Theories of Adminstration )are the more popular graduate IOE classes and not hard at all.</p>
<p>Unless you are interested in FE, you should also probably stay away from IOE 551 and 552 (Financial Engineering 1 and 2) since they are very difficult.</p>
<p>I have heard IOE 641 (supply chain management) is also a very good and interesting class and not too difficult.</p>
<p>Hope this helped!</p>
<p>The general consensus across CoE is that IOE courses are easier than other engineering.</p>
<p>Also, you’ll get to the point where you just really don’t care about keeping your GPA really high.</p>
<p>During the tour of the College of Engineering when my son was visiting UMich for Admitted Students day, the student who was directing the tour referred to IOE as “Instead of Engineering” in response to a question from one of the parents.</p>
<p>@ThisIsMichigan: GPA will certainly matter if OP wants to go to grad school or work at a top firm after undergrad. Many top firms have hard GPA cutoffs.</p>
<p>what was the point of your post, peterw?</p>
<p>peterw, IOE gets so much crap from other engineers but they still make big bucks in the end</p>
<p>Squarew</p>
<p>The impression that I got was that is was more of a joke than a critical evaluation. The parent and his son were constantly wise-cracking during the tour (father had graduated fron Georgia Tech with a degree in IOE) and another parent asked what is IOE. The student conducting the tour was a grad student in Civil Engineering</p>
<p>So Civil ripping on IoE lol. Take what you can get I guess. </p>
<p>If you can’t handle EE, or ME or something, but you don’t want to drop all the way to business or LSA, do IoE. That’s the impression I got.</p>
<p>I am an not an engineer but my boy is a UM junior in Computer Engineering. Back in my day (70s), a long time ago I know — it was [pre-med → business → sociology]</p>
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<p>Yeah, and people who can’t handle 2 majors only do 1. :p</p>
<p>It seems like 60% of incoming freshman are “pre-med” and then they can’t even get a B or B+ in gen chem and poof, dream over</p>
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<p>Well, I mean, if one of them is IoE that’s like 1.5 majors at best :D</p>
<p>your ignorance and arrogance are astounding</p>
<p>Don’t get too mad buddy :)</p>
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<p>He’s just joking.</p>
<p>“If you can’t handle EE, or ME or something, but you don’t want to drop all the way to business or LSA, do IoE. That’s the impression I got.”</p>
<p>and here comes the obligatory ME trying to equate its difficulty with EECS. </p>
<p>Having taken numerous classes in both CS and ME (I had way too many credit hours coming in and didn’t want to graduate early), I can tell you it’s not even close. </p>
<p>I get why EECS kids crap on IOE, it’s a lot harder and more time consuming, but it always makes me laugh when ME or civil kids do the same.</p>
<p>ME is only marginally more difficult than IOE, and the only reason for that is because you can be an idiot and still pass IOE classes but it’s harder to do for ME. But for a capable student, getting an A in either is not significantly different. </p>
<p>And before you quote your other ME friends who have taken 2 IOE classes, I have taken ME 211, 235, 240, 320, 336, 432 and 563, and have gotten at least As or A+s in all of them, except for 211 where I got an A-. I spent about the same amount of effort in most of these classes as my ioe classes (basically not much, which involves not going to class unless attendance is taken/quiz/turn in problem sets, cram/self learn everything the day before exams).</p>
<p>I have taken EECS 280, 281 and 381 and those do take a lot more time and involve slightly harder concepts (mainly the time consuming part though, once a day autograder’s a pain in the behind), but ME? Gimme a break. The only reason why the ME kids themselves think its hard is because they didn’t learn crap in calc and have trouble setting up equations. It always surprises me how so many COE students are mathematically challenged (relatively speaking). </p>
<p>Every ME class I have been in, whatever the topic, involve basically understanding the type of problem at hand, setting up the equation, and solving it. I honestly don’t understand why kids who want to do this for a living struggle with it.</p>
<p>Side note: ME is where i found both the best and the worst prof at michigan… Kevin Pipe is by far the best, and Jwo Pan is by far the worst.</p>
<p>bearcats, for an ME, there is usually either a design course or a lab course that goes with those courses. While the courses you listed can be aced by doing well on 3 exams, the 3 design courses and junior lab are the real deal and can make every ME student go berserk.</p>
<p>ME being slightly harder than IOE? seriously bro? you ever been to a design expo?</p>
<p>Bearcats, what did you think of 565? Did you take 511, 512, 515, 518, or 519 by any chance? If so, which did you like the most?</p>