<p>I Should be a Junior but I took an year off and I was in CoE, but now I'm thinking about Econ as major because I was BME, but I am not good at Engineering I wish there was a major that is a cross between engineering and economics haha. So I was thinking IOE is the Best engineering for me. So far I have English 125, Chem I, Calc I, Physics I 125, ENGR 101, Bio 171. Also which would be better to major from now to graduate in time and get all the core requirements, and concentration requirement in time. Are there any other Engineering that is not too much programming, Calc based (such as beyond calc II)?</p>
<p>you are better off in econ. You will not be able to graduate on time in IOE. The IOE degree required courses are very structured, one prereq leading to another.</p>
<p>201, 202, 265 -> 310, 373,333, 334, TC 380 -> 424/481, 474 and other 400 level electives to fulfill your 3 ioe areas (12 credits) + 4 ioe credits of your choices at 400 level, not to mention you need to choose 3 non-ioe technical elective from 6 specific non-ioe engineering groups. Takes you 3 years to do it regardless of whatever requirement you have fulfilled, especially considering how classes are offered.</p>
<p>For econ, all you need is 101+102. Then you can take 300 levels and 401/402 simultaneously. Then other 400 level classes. The prereq structure allows for a shorter time to complete the degree.</p>
<p>While the programming is minimal, if you want to avoid math/calc, IOE is probably not for you unless you want to focus on ergonomics, which is essentially a joke, not really “a cross between engineering and economics” you are looking for. For the operations research side, the statistics stuff are calc based. You also have linear/dynamic/integer/stochastic programming, which is not simple math by any means.</p>
<p>Thanks for the response um so even in 5-6 semesters I would not be able to graduate if I were to major in IOE? What are some ENGR majors that is closest to economics or deal with business aspects?
Thanks</p>
<p>You might be able to swing IOE if you are willing to take 6 semesters. I don’t think you should expect to be able to do it in 5 semesters.</p>
<p>Econ will be easier to complete on time though. Generally, engineering majors have more requirements than LSA majors. </p>
<p>What are you looking for when you say you are looking for a cross between engineering and economics? Engineering in general is about building things using the fewest resources possible. When people say economics they are often thinking of different things from one another, so you should explain what you mean by economics if you’re not thinking efficiency-type stuff.</p>
<p>Thank you
I guess what I am looking for is more of an engineering major that is most business oriented. Also if I try to finish IOE in pretty much 3 years (6 semesters) would that really crammed in and lead to extremely difficult schedule each semester?
Also what kind of companies take you for interns if your an IOE major?</p>
<p>I feel the same way as you, I want to do engineering with business mixed in. I looked into IOE but it just didn’t feel like “real” engineering so I decided on ME. From here I hope Ill have a wide range of opportunities that will allow me to work into a business position, maybe get an MBA later</p>
<p>What do you mean by not “Real” Engineering?
What do you recommend doing Econ or ENGR?</p>
<p>My perception of engineering is a lot of math and science and hard problems and labs and stuff. Now I know IOE has that but it just didn’t seem the same as NE or ME when I was looking at classes.</p>
<p>I would recommend Engineering. But I’m not an employer. Both are really good at Michigan though.</p>
<p>Is IOE doable with effort? Because I am not too good at Programming and I do not have too much basis on Physics? Do people do poorly majoring in IOE I mean I know ENGR is difficult overall but I am def willing to put it effort, but I want to make sure it is not an impossible major haha
Do you get good internship with IOE and a good job
Thanks</p>
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<p>IOE is nicknamed In-and-Out Easy. That should be a pretty good summation of how difficult the minimum requirements for IOE are. If you were smart enough to get into Michigan and are willing to try hard you will do fine in IOE.</p>
<p>Given I only took IOE 201, 202, and 265, but those are all REALLY easy.</p>
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<p>Assuming you have your HU/SS and free electives completed, you will need 10 credits of physics, 12 of math, 34 core IOE, 18 elective IOE, and 12 elective non-IOE engineering credits. That works out to 14 1/3 credits a semester for 6 semesters. That will give you enough to take 1 more class outside of what’s required each semester. </p>
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<p>I didn’t get an internship, but I applied for a variety of companies on engenius jobs, commercial farms and mines, large retail stores, and fast food companies. I had also taken a number of EECS classes so I applied for some software companies too. </p>
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<p>In IOE you don’t build things. When IOEs help on building projects they are probably doing ergonomics and are involving people from other disciplines. </p>
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<p>Personally my esteem for IOE is slightly higher than for Econ. One big advantage for Econ though is that the requirements are much more flexible, and you can choose to take harder classes and have time to take good classes in other departments. IOE is very structured and doesn’t allow for that as much. </p>
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<p>The average starting salary for IOE is on par with ME, is better than CEE and BME, and worse than EECS and ChemE. I’m not going to speak for anything other than EECS and IOE, but I think the average EECS major is a lot smarter and harder working than the average IOE major, so I don’t think being an EECS major would lead to making more money.</p>
<p>Informatics may be an option you want to consider. It’s a hybrid of programming and whatever specialty you choose (social computing/biomedical/etc.)</p>
<p>Thanks Vladenschlutte that answered a lot of quetion</p>
<p>Which ENGR100 sections are good for IOE and not too difficult?</p>
<p>The IOE one is Engineering for the Real World but it’s really hard.</p>
<p>I took Music Signal Processing and it’s not very hard.</p>
<p>collegematter, you said you’re supposedly a junior but you took a year off. But judging from your classes, it seems like you only have about 1 semester of engineering prereqs. ENG125 might replace ENG100, but physics 125 is probably not going to replace physics 140. So what are your plans?</p>
<p>I was BME so I was gonna do Bio the second semester so I wa taking some LSA course so doesn’t that mean I have most of the HU courses done? I only took 14cr 1st semester and 13cr 2nd semester. So does that mean it’s not possible to do IOE in 6semesters from where I stand?</p>
<p>I should be a rising junior but I don’t mind doing an extra year (or equivalent of 2 semesters)</p>
<p>not to hijack this thread, but for IOE majors, can one take Math 417 in lieu of Math 214.</p>
<p>HurdSL, since you cannot get credit for both 214 and 417, if you have taken 417 and you ask them they’ll probably say it’s okay and give you an exception for 214. If you go and ask before you take 417, they’ll probably say it’s not okay and that you have to take 214.</p>