Iran and terrorism:Interesting Read

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<p>By Toby Harnden, Chief Foreign Correspondent</p>

<p>(Filed: 06/11/2005)</p>

<p>Iranian state television has broadcast a cartoon that glorifies suicide bombings against Israelis, depicting a young boy blowing himself up after being told: "Go and show the Zionists how brave and heroic are the children of Palestine."</p>

<p>The cartoon, one of a series shown by the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting on "Jerusalem Day" nine days ago, presents the actions of a boy who kills himself to strike back against Israelis as a noble example for children to follow.</p>

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<p>The cartoon follows the story of Abd who dies in a suicide attack</p>

<p>More professionally produced and graphic than previous Iranian propaganda aimed at children, the cartoon appears to be part of a campaign led by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to elevate the issue of the destruction of Israel. The day before the cartoon was shown, he declared at a World Without Zionism conference: "This stain of disgrace [Israel] will be wiped off the face of the world - and this is attainable."</p>

<p>His comments were greeted with outrage in the West and prompted Tony Blair to suggest that military action might be required against Iran if progress towards a nuclear bomb continued.</p>

<p>At the start of the 10-minute animated film, translated into English by the Middle East Media Research Institute (Memri), Abd al-Rahman, a Palestinian youth, watches as Israeli soldiers murder his family.</p>

<p>They are depicted laughing as they strike his mother in the face with a rifle butt and then shoot his father, whose blood splashes the oranges on the trees he cultivated.</p>

<p>Abd comforts his sister and weeps, declaring: "Oh God, I must take revenge upon these bloodthirsty aggressors, who murdered my father, mother and brother." His cousin Karim introduces him to a neighbour's son, Jassem, who is a member of a "resistance group".</p>

<p>Jassem instructs the boys to take part in an attack against Israeli soldiers, applauding their "deep faith" and telling them that they "may become martyrs". Abd's aunt bids the boys a tearful farewell. "God willing, you'll be successful," she says. "Go, my children. Go and show the Zionists how brave and heroic are the children of Palestine."</p>

<p>As he lies in wait, Abd ties a string of grenades around his waist. The convoy approaches and the cartoon shows satanic-faced Israeli soldiers sitting in a lorry around an ammunition box decorated with a Star of David.</p>

<p>Abd shouts, "I place my trust in God. Allah Akbar", pulls the grenade pins and leaps onto the lorry. When the smoke clears, the bodies of Abd, the Israeli troops and the attackers are strewn around the road.</p>

<p>A young Palestinian boy then walks over to Abd's body, takes his bloodstained keffiyeh head-dress, drapes it over his own shoulders and walks off into the sunset.</p>

<p>Dan Shaham, a spokesman for the Israeli embassy in London, said: "This phenomenon of inciting children to commit suicide attacks is revolting. It corrupts young minds and makes sure conflict continues. President Ahmadinejad is not only dangerous in the here-and-now but the Iranian extremist ideology is affecting future generations. Something needs to be done today."</p>

<p>The Iranian embassy declined to comment. Last week, it emerged that Mohammad Hossein Adeli, Iran's ambassador to Britain, was being recalled to Teheran in a worldwide purge of about 40 Iranian diplomats ordered by Mr Ahmadinejad.</p>

<p>Ali Ansari, an Iranian analyst at St Andrew's University, said the cartoon was "gory stuff" and different from previous anti-Israeli propaganda. "It's interesting they've gone to these lengths to develop a cartoon like this that is obviously directed towards kids.</p>

<p>"Anti-Zionism is one of the ideological pillars of the Islamic republic. But Ahmadinejad's comments went beyond the standard ideological diet, because by implication they applauded suicide bombers and condemned anyone who makes peace with Israel."</p>

<p>This was the equivalent of trying to be "more Catholic than the Pope", he said, because the Palestinians now accepted that there must be a two-state solution to the Middle East conflict - in contrast to President Ahmadinejad's policy of destroying Israel and replacing it with a new Palestinian state.</p>

<p>A spokesman for Memri said that the cartoon was one of 10 being translated. In another, Palestinian children throw aubergines at Israeli soldiers who think they are being attacked with grenades and flee.</p>

<p>Such naive propaganda fits in with Mr Ahmadinejad's simplistic world view and is likely to alienate most ordinary Iranians who, as Shia Persians, rather than Sunni Arabs, are far from fixated on the Palestinian issue.</p>

<p>"Ahmadinejad is not a shrewd political operator," said Dr Ansari. "Most Iranians want to focus on domestic problems and this [his anti-Israeli stance] is alarming the international community and creating huge anxiety in Iran."</p>

<p>A British diplomat in London said: "The increase in anti-Israeli propaganda and Ahmadinejad's dangerous rhetoric will only serve to alienate him from his people and further isolate Iran. For the West, as well as Israel, the prospect of this man having his finger on a nuclear button is truly horrifying."</p>

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<p>This is dangerous. Just think of how these will affect the children!</p>

<p>Bump? No replies yet?</p>

<p>Iran has a massive overpopulation of young people. When governments are unable to provide jobs for all of the youth, the government has to redirect the attention of those disaffected youth to an external enemy. Israel is the enemy of choice for just about every middle eastern country. Iran is a horrible country run by horrible people. It never ceases to amaze me that some people could suggest that killing another group of harmless people would somehow please God (Allah).</p>

<p>Israel is the result of a systematic takeover of other people's land. Its about time the Palestinians get their home back.</p>

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Israel is the result of a systematic takeover of other people's land. Its about time the Palestinians get their home back.

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And how would you propose they get their land back?</p>

<p>the right way or the wrong way?</p>

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Israel is the result of a systematic takeover of other people's land. Its about time the Palestinians get their home back.

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<p>Right after America gives all of its land back to the Native Americans and Australia cedes its terroritory to the natives there. </p>

<p>Sorry, but they won't get their land back. They may get some of it, but they won't see Israel "driven into the sea" as much as they wish. Israel will remain, and it would suit the Palestinians to get over that fact as soon as possible. They also have to realize that terrorism only results in collective punishment and never seems to accomplish anything, so that has to stop as well.</p>

<p>even if palestine gets a land of their own eventually (whether through peace accord share-share basis or through the destruction of Israel), terrorists will still cook up reasons to wreak havoc everywhere. now palestine land issue, then iraq, then afghanistan, then what after that? the mere existence of the US? it'll never come to an end. palestine is just a veil of excuses for them.</p>

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And how would you propose they get their land back?

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<p>Making reasonable negotiations between the two nations.</p>

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the right way or the wrong way?

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<p>Whats "right" and whats "wrong" is a matter of opinion. I do agree though that the Irani president has gone way out of hand.</p>

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Sorry, but they won't get their land back. They may get some of it, but they won't see Israel "driven into the sea" as much as they wish. Israel will remain, and it would suit the Palestinians to get over that fact as soon as possible. They also have to realize that terrorism only results in collective punishment and never seems to accomplish anything, so that has to stop as well.

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<p>Things arent that simple. First off, the Palestinans are without much of a home and nothing to do. Thus all these attacks. Second, the Arabs controlled Palestine for ages, even before and after the Crusades.Suddenly some group takes them over systematically would surely get someone ****ed :). And please dont give me comparion with the Native Americans. They were nothing compared to the American fighters at the time. I can bet all my possessions that terrorism wont end until this problem is solved. The entire Middle East hates Israel. You say terrorism doesnt accomplish anything. Do you expect them to stay silent while their land has been occupied? Sorry, things dont go that way. Even the Native Americans revolted. :) </p>

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even if palestine gets a land of their own eventually (whether through peace accord share-share basis or through the destruction of Israel), terrorists will still cook up reasons to wreak havoc everywhere. now palestine land issue, then iraq, then afghanistan, then what after that? the mere existence of the US? it'll never come to an end. palestine is just a veil of excuses for them.

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<p>And what proof do you have that supports this. Sorry, making assumptions isnt useful. Terrorists dont do all this for the sake of it, they want to eliminate Israel. Bin Laden and the Irani president clearly expressed this. Please provide some support for your statements, you sound like an illiterate person. If Palestinians get their land and the US cease to intervene in Middle Eastern matters, terrorism will reduce drastically. Do you even see terrorism NOT related to Israel? Doubt you'll see many cases.</p>

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<p>That won't work. The terrorists (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc.) have repeatedly stated that they will not stop terrorist attacks until Israel ceases to exist. That is never going to happen, so unless Israel or the Palestinian authority cracks down on terrorism there will be no peace there. </p>

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Things arent that simple. First off, the Palestinans are without much of a home and nothing to do. Thus all these attacks. Second, the Arabs controlled Palestine for ages, even before and after the Crusades.Suddenly some group takes them over systematically would surely get someone ****ed .

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<p>Blame the UN. And also the Arab countries that refused to allow Palestinian refugees to enter. </p>

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And please dont give me comparion with the Native Americans. They were nothing compared to the American fighters at the time. I can bet all my possessions that terrorism wont end until this problem is solved. The entire Middle East hates Israel. You say terrorism doesnt accomplish anything. Do you expect them to stay silent while their land has been occupied? Sorry, things dont go that way. Even the Native Americans revolted.

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<p>Terrorism will never end. As I stated above, the terrorists on the Palestinian side, even though they represent a minority, will continue to attack Israel until it ceases to exist. And like I also said above, that will never happen.</p>

<p>And sure, the Native Americans revolted. Look where that got them. If the Palestinians aren't careful they will end up in the same sort of situation. Blowing up Israeli schoolbuses isn't going to help Palestinians, and neither is any irrational statement calling for Israel to "cease to exist." </p>

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And what proof do you have that supports this. Sorry, making assumptions isnt useful. Terrorists dont do all this for the sake of it, they want to eliminate Israel. Bin Laden and the Irani president clearly expressed this. Please provide some support for your statements, you sound like an illiterate person. If Palestinians get their land and the US cease to intervene in Middle Eastern matters, terrorism will reduce drastically. Do you even see terrorism NOT related to Israel? Doubt you'll see many cases.

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<p>Sure, terrorist outrage over Israel plays an important part in their anger, but so does the culture of basically all western nations. They want to turn the west into one giant Islamo-republic according to their warped views of the Koran. Ask any rational Muslim what the terrorists are using for their religious basis and that Muslim will tell you that the terrorists are using nothing, they are just nuts. They hate Israel and America for existing, and as long as we continue to exist there will be attacks.</p>

<p>If you say it's only because of Israel, then why Bali? Bali had mostly Australian tourists. They were targeting Australia for "supporting America in the opression of Mulsims". What about England, July 7th? They just want to kill as many people as possible, blanket style. Let's just say their cause is justified. Why are they targeting the "innocent" as well? Bali had Muslims. Bali had citizen from other countries. Sept 11 had many other countries' citizens who has absolutely nothing to do with Israel. "Kill my son, and I kill your entire family and relatives"?</p>

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Making reasonable negotiations between the two nations.

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And what would those reasonable negotiations be? </p>

<p>Reasonable negotiations have been attempted for many many years. Did you ever study how Henry Kissinger became so well known? How about former President Jimmy Carter with his numerous picture sessions with Israeli and Palestinian leaders? Do you recall 1999/2000 when former President Clinton offered the most reasonable settlement ever offered, Israel said ok, but Arafat told Clinton thanks, but no thanks?</p>

<p>My view is that a great deal of the Middle East is steeped in a culture of violence. They've grown up with the "death to Israel" attitude since birth, and it's not going to change. My prediction is a very bloody conflict sooner or later.</p>