<p>Getting into HYP does not necessary help or hurt you in your future career(s). Ted Kaczynski was also an Harvard undergrad…</p>
<p>I just glanced at the OPs other thread, (the link was provided earlier by another poster).</p>
<p>To the OP, you had a 1950 SAT score which according to JHU’s website falls below the middle half of their 2010 freshman class.</p>
<p>Admittedly I don’t know much about your extra-curriculars but with that SAT score you were lucky to be admitted to JHU. In addition you have a full ride. You have to pay nothing for this fabulous education you are getting.</p>
<p>I think you should be grateful. Instead you are wondering if you are screwed, (your words).</p>
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<p>We elected 4 presidents in last 20 years and not 30 years before, that shows the growing importance of the HYP clout in politics. </p>
<p>Maybe Amy Chua is correct in saying that parent in US are very afraid of children and have problem telling the truth. Which is in this case is that it helps in politics to be from HYP.</p>
<p>I don’t think Obama would have made it to this position if he was from JHU.
May be it’s just my opinion but I sincerely think he got a big jump in his prospect because he shined at Harvard Law.</p>
<p>kxc–I still scratch my head over Ted Kaczynski…</p>
<p>My point is that getting into Harvard may or may not helping you in your career. Had Ted gotten into another university where he was not put into a physiological experiment, he would have been a great mathematician instead of being the Unabomber.</p>
<p>I hadn’t realized Kaczynski had participated in a “study” that sounds like psychological torture perpetrated by a Harvard professor. :eek: What was the point of that?!</p>
<p>But he seems to have gone on to U Mich and received his PhD with great fanfare.</p>
<p>Yes. None of these later experiences helped him. In essence, Ted was ruined by his Harvard experiences. On the other hand, there were many folks came out of Harvard unscathed and went off doing great things…Again, HYP may help and it may hurt. It all depends.</p>
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<p>Your two statements sort of contradict…it is totally possible for Obama to go to JHU undergrad and then Harvard Law and “shine” there…which would have still given him a “big jump”.</p>
<p>Okay I get the point. I think I really need to see a psychologist before I go out on my own. I freak out and develop anxiety over completely unnecessary things (no I haven’t been formally diagnosed with anything yet) and you’re right…how is a person going to run a country or handle important decisions if they’re prone to mental breakdowns and feelings of regret? :p</p>
<p>So the conclusion: an HYP undergrad does not guarantee success…its the person, a little bit of luck, and hardwork.
The importance of HYP is more significant at the grad school level.</p>
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<p>Certainly, and that is why I said if you are interested in politics and want to become US President then work hard go the HYP for grad schools specifically LAW.</p>
<p>Talking about getting into Law…Unless the OP wants to be on the Supreme Court, getting in the field of Law can be quite bleak…Have you heard about the joke about lawyers…Be careful about what you are asking for…You may get it.</p>
<p>I wouldn’t kill OP’s dream just because her test score being less than stellar… Here were plenty of them got into HYP…And there were plenty of folks who were rejected despite of perfect scores. After all, a school is a business. It has to look out for its best interest.</p>
<p>@MrMeursault-- First of all, I am not a math person. I scored 700+ on CR and W but my math scores are less than favorable. I submitted two SAT IIs in US History and English Lit…both were above 720.
My whole app revolved around me being humanities person…which included state recognition for my essays etc.
The LSAT is much like the CR part of the SAT…it has nothing to do with math…maybe thats why I scored a 161 on the practice with very little time invested beforehand for prep.
Stop calling me a ■■■■■.</p>
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<p>My point is that the people being elected president went to college 30 years ago. The doors that needed to be opened were done so 20-30 years ago. I think most people would agree that the benefits of the ivy degree (in terms of networking and opportunities) are more relevant on the way from graduation to Congress rather than from Congress to the White House. </p>
<p>That was why I used the analogy of looking at a star. The light from the star takes millions of years to get to us. So if we see a supernova, we see how the star was behaving millions of years ago, not today.</p>
<p>howdypal - I like that you have thought through the various posts on this thread and taken something from it. Too many posters (of all ages, btw) just come bull-headed to a thread and will not listen to other points of view.</p>
<p>Good luck to you at JHU and in your future. I’m betting you’ll do well.</p>
<p>And, no, you are not a ■■■■■. Those calling you that should show the type of respect for others which you are showing.</p>
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<p>Really? Are you suggesting that the voting public highly values HYP credentials? Do you think that when Obama and Hillary Clinton were vying for the Dem nomination, that the electorate weighed Occidential / Columbia / Harvard against Wellesley / Yale and found the former more impressive? When Bill Clinton won against George H W Bush, do you think the electorate was weighing in on Georgetown vs Yale?</p>
<p>If the voting public highly values HYP credentials, then I wonder how Ronald Reagan ever got to be president, and why Sarah Palin came so close to becoming vice-president a few years ago.</p>
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<p>This is America, which a bunch of people keep forgetting. NO school credential “guarantees” one iota of success. It’s the person, a little bit of luck, and hard work.</p>
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<p>This is certainly USA we are talking about and that is why it’s so important to be from HYP in the political circuit.</p>
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Political Leader == Success</p>
<p>I don’t think any other country give a damn… about their leaders from top universities of their respective countries.</p>
<p>Yes, as PG referred to President Regan, OP has another channel to become a President by making it to Holywood.</p>
<p>HYP should be HYPE because that is all it really is.</p>
<p>If you want to be a Supreme Court Justice, then Harvard or Yale Law School is your best bet. Otherwise…</p>
<p>@ParentOfIvyHope and collegealum314 – Okay I am understanding what you are trying to say…but at the same time, you’re not really answering my question. I am talking about Undergrad exclusively. There is always room to pursue an Ivy for grad school but can we all be in agreement that Grad school HYP attendence is what’s really important in the political circuit…not neccesarily undergrad?</p>
<p>Yes, HYP=HYPE …yes yes.</p>