<p>I'm already familiar with MDApplicants.com. The UCR data pretty much confirm my observations...</p>
<p>UCRiverbed</p>
<p>This convo is a joke. UCr Grad is posting from multiple names to discourage people.</p>
<p>This is pathetic. If anyone actually wants to learn about UCR, from someone who goes there--on a full-ride scholarship, and chose the school over nearly all the other UCs--drop me a PM.</p>
<p>I know you didn't get in to any UCs other than UCR. For someone who claim to have applied and admitted to Johns Hopkins University and ACTUALLY spelled it as John's Hopkin's is beyond words....Like I said before, no need to be sad about being admitted only to UCR. It's still a good school.</p>
<p>Umm, I've never said anything about John Hopkins.</p>
<p>But I was accepted to UCSB, UCI and UCSC.</p>
<p>A novice (but useless) tactic for making a counterargument is to insult the person you're arguing against. Do you have nothing, not even a nice little story for us, to support your claim? If it doesn't exist, HOW COULD YOU CONCLUDE IT? See, I can be an annoying person, too. </p>
<p>I don't remember what I was saying with "first year medical schools," but it's not as if you're going to do anything but complain anyway. You could ignore that phrase and you would still ignore everything else.</p>
<p>MOST STUDENTS are lucky to get a secondary app from UCSF. 91% of Harvard students who apply to med school get into at least one. 9% get into none. About 70% of Berkeley students who apply to medical school get into 1. Over 30% do not. Getting into one medical school is far better than not getting into any, but sure, getting into one of the top 50 is better than getting into only one outside of it. It makes senes to say getting into one medical school is one of the best situations in which you could be if you want to be a doctor, as some students, even from top schools, get in nowhere. Not 1 medical school.</p>
<p>I understand it's easy to get defensive about the school you're going to, and it's equally hard to acknowledge that UCR is actually the pool of California's worst students.</p>
<p>Sly, what are you posting under like 6 names now?</p>
<p>the funniest part about this thread is that a few people are actually getting legitimately angry at this guy... ;)</p>
<p>"the funniest part about this thread is that a few people are actually getting legitimately angry at this guy... "</p>
<p>Nah, it's just one guy who guys to UCR and hates it when people write true and verifiable facts about his school that show how abominable it really is.</p>
<p>UCRiverbed</p>
<p>"A novice (but useless) tactic for making a counterargument is to insult the person you're arguing against."</p>
<p>Actually, conclusions based on solid premises with a little personal insult thrown in is fine, and is especially gratifying when speaking to people like you who "just don't get it." A novice tactic would be to draw conclusions based on the personal insult, not on premises. There's a difference, but I doubt you could differentiate.</p>
<p>"Do you have nothing, not even a nice little story for us, to support your claim? If it doesn't exist, HOW COULD YOU CONCLUDE IT? See, I can be an annoying person, too. "</p>
<p>You are an annoying person, as you say. Not everything we can state for a fact is immediately available in a clickable link for you, I'm sorry to say. I don't have the time, the patient, or the OBLIGATION to look these things up and post them here for you. I don't wish to help you, either. I'm not putting a gun to your head and forcing you to take what I say to be true. I can say based on your posts here that you really don't have a great perspective on med school applications, and it shows. If you are a premed, you might consider the Carribbean schools. Thanks.</p>
<p>"I don't remember what I was saying with "first year medical schools," but it's not as if you're going to do anything but complain anyway. You could ignore that phrase and you would still ignore everything else."</p>
<p>Well since half your counter-argument was based on a sentence containing that nonsensical term, I didn't even know what you were trying to say!</p>
<p>"MOST STUDENTS are lucky to get a secondary app from UCSF."</p>
<p>Actually, if you're from California, almost everybody gets a secondary from UCSF, which is brief and basically only asks for letters of rec. So wrong-o there, buddy.</p>
<p>"91% of Harvard students who apply to med school get into at least one. 9% get into none. About 70% of Berkeley students who apply to medical school get into 1. Over 30% do not. Getting into one medical school is far better than not getting into any, but sure, getting into one of the top 50 is better than getting into only one outside of it. It makes senes to say getting into one medical school is one of the best situations in which you could be if you want to be a doctor, as some students, even from top schools, get in nowhere. Not 1 medical school."</p>
<p>That's 70% of berkeley premeds get into AT LEAST one. I don't see how your statistics even address our discussion, prove your point, or disprove mine. Anyway, bottom line is, UCR students rarely get into top-10 schools, and only a few are competitive with even first-tier programs.</p>
<p>UCRiverbed</p>
<p>Theregicider wrote: </p>
<p>"This is pathetic. If anyone actually wants to learn about UCR, from someone who goes there--on a full-ride scholarship, and chose the school over nearly all the other UCs--drop me a PM"</p>
<p>He then wrote:</p>
<p>"But I was accepted to UCSB, UCI and UCSC."</p>
<p>So basically he initially makes it sound like he really has a great perspective, because he turned down "nearly all other UC's" for UCR and got this full-ride scholarship. HAHAHHAHAH. Then he clarifies that he only got into "UCSB, UCI, and UCSC." </p>
<p>This explains a lot. Theregicider obviously has trouble with written expression. Clearly "UCSB, UCI, and UCSC," which are 3 other middle/bottom-tier UC schools translate to him as nearly all the other UC's. He read the wikipedia article on UC Riverside and found it to be incredibly biased, yet multiple third parties and two administrators really didn't agree with him that much. The problem really is that Theregicider really has a problem with going to UC Riverside. He may have gone there for that sucker-scholarship, but deep down inside, he's going to the UC of Last Resort, the school of UC Rejects. Everybody thinks that of him. Everybody knows the school is abominably bad...this explains his exaggerated and sometimes angry reactions when people just "tell it as it is" with respect to his school. Too bad, man. tsk tsk.</p>
<p>UCRiverbed</p>
<p>You got me.</p>
<p>I can't differentiate, Mr. Ad Hominem. I'm just an idiot, have no ability to do logic, and no ability to understand argument. Again, you got me, as you are clearly the superior language-user and person.</p>
<p>I don't have a great perspective on med school applications. Where again did I state that I did? I know a bit, but no, I don't claim to know too much about them. I'm not asking you to do any work for me that you shouldn't do to make your points have any substance. I'm not pre-med, and happily so. And you're welcome.</p>
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Well since half your counter-argument was based on a sentence containing that nonsensical term, I didn't even know what you were trying to say!
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<p>Then just ignore it like you do most of what I say. It's not as if you generally respond to me in any manner, besides negative, and insult me. It's not as if you're trying to help many people, or trying to have an actual conversation with anyone. </p>
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Actually, if you're from California, almost everybody gets a secondary from UCSF, which is brief and basically only asks for letters of rec. So wrong-o there, buddy.
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<p>Alright. i'm wrong here. Sorry about that, my mistake. See, this is what it looks like when someone is wrong and they admit it. I know you aren't very familiar with it, but now you can replicate this right here. But no, my bet is that you point out how since I'm wrong on this one point, everything that I've said is questionable. And sure, everything anyone says on these websites is questionable, but clearly, you'll say, this point makes it clear how everything I've said is just plain wrong. </p>
<p>Your point, that most UCR students don't get into top--10 medical schools, is more certainly true. Point out more than 15 schools where most of the medical school applicants get into top 10 medschools and I would say wow, that's great, and rare. My point with bringing up other schools is that even what are supposed to be better or the best of schools have plenty of students who get into no medical school. Not even one. Yep, even Harvard. Yes, most certainly Berkeley. You said that
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A student who went to a DECENT undergrad school with a good GPA/MCAT, and strong letters and experience should have NO PROBLEM getting MANY interviews and MANY acceptances. ...sadly, at UCR, premeds are lucky to get into third-tier schools or D.O.'s, UNLESS they are "saved" by the Thomas/Haider Program.
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You said you couldn't prove it with anything, why should I disprove it? I did as best as I could, showing students who go to above decent schools and who did not get into one medical school. But your student has many factors which are not easy to get. perhaps your situation is right, but how do the students from UCR with good GPA/MCAT, good letters of rec, and experience do? You're saying poorly, because they went to UCR and not some other school? I call false. I say that if you replace UCR and UCI with the same everything else, you'll be almost equal in results. </p>
<p>And it's nice how on the post above you continue the ad hominem attacks that you claim to want to stop (on another thread).</p>
<p>"I'm just an idiot, have no ability to do logic, and no ability to understand argument. Again, you got me, as you are clearly the superior language-user and person."</p>
<p>I couldn't have summarized it better myself. (seriously)</p>
<p>"I don't have a great perspective on med school applications. Where again did I state that I did?"</p>
<p>If you admit that you don't know much about medical school applications, then you honestly shouldn't be challenging information that other people have provided on the subject. </p>
<p>"Alright. i'm wrong here. Sorry about that, my mistake. See, this is what it looks like when someone is wrong and they admit it."</p>
<p>This won't be the last time either.</p>
<p>"Point out more than 15 schools where most of the medical school applicants get into top 10 medschools and I would say wow, that's great, and rare."</p>
<p>I never made that specific claim. Here you go again twisting someone's argument into something it's not, then attacking it. </p>
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A student who went to a DECENT undergrad school with a good GPA/MCAT, and strong letters and experience should have NO PROBLEM getting MANY interviews and MANY acceptances. ...sadly, at UCR, premeds are lucky to get into third-tier schools or D.O.'s, UNLESS they are "saved" by the Thomas/Haider Program. </p>
<p>"You said you couldn't prove it with anything, why should I disprove it? I did as best as I could, showing students who go to above decent schools and who did not get into one medical school. "</p>
<p>You proved a point that was never in contention!!! This is seriously like talking to a bag of hammers.</p>
<p>"But your student has many factors which are not easy to get. perhaps your situation is right, but how do the students from UCR with good GPA/MCAT, good letters of rec, and experience do? You're saying poorly, because they went to UCR and not some other school?"</p>
<p>1) My quote above was in response to your argument that "most students are lucky to even get into 1 medical school." And you disproved your own argument by quoting statistics from Harvard and Berkeley that showed the overwhelming majority of premeds from these places got into at least 1.<br>
2) UCR students with strong GPA/MCAT, good letters of rec, and strong experience do just fine. I NEVER said they did poorly. Again, that's just your own inability to understand a simple argument.</p>
<p>"I say that if you replace UCR and UCI with the same everything else, you'll be almost equal in results."</p>
<p>Then you'd be talking out of your a$$, especially since you already claimed to know very little about med school applications. So stop making claims that you really can't support.</p>
<p>"And it's nice how on the post above you continue the ad hominem attacks that you claim to want to stop (on another thread)."</p>
<p>This is a third example of abysmal reading comprehension. I never asked for ad hominem attacks to stop in another thread. I merely explained the hypocrisy that you exhibited when YOU started making ad hominem attacks. </p>
<p>UCRiverbed</p>
<p>I don't feel like getting the particular thread where you asked people to stop making ad hominem attacks. I read it today and am content with my claim that you made the request. </p>
<p>Your claim misses out on many important factors. Do you count people who come to college intending to go to medical school as pre-meds? Are you talking about simply those that apply? Those that start the pre-med sequence? Those that finish it? Those that take the MCAT?</p>
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<p>What do you even mean by "strong GPA?" "Strong MCAT?" You have always implied that these sorts of students have a terrible time because they went to UCR. Three striked against them, for instance. You've claimed before that these students are HURT because they went to UCR.</p>
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<p>You should follow your own advice.</p>
<p>damn. ok, this thread was a lot cooler when UCRiv was just talking to himself.</p>
<p>"don't feel like getting the particular thread where you asked people to stop making ad hominem attacks. I read it today and am content with my claim that you made the request. "</p>
<p>Why don't you copy and paste exactly where I ASKED people to stop making ad hominem attacks. </p>
<p>With regard to the medical school stuff, you have already admitted that you know very little about the process and that you are not a premed yourself. The questions and challenges you make are a waste of my time, because they require me to explain very basic things to you. Furthermore, your nonsensical responses in the past make it difficult to have a reasonable dialogue with you. If anybody ELSE has a concern with anything I've written, then I'd be happy to address it. Thanks.</p>
<p>UCRIverbed</p>
<p>I am not going to do it out of laziness. </p>
<p>I have not admitted that I know very little about the process, but like most of your posts, you ignore what I'm saying and focus on me. I know some things, and not others. Third year pre-meds know much more, but I know plenty. If my responses are so nonsensical, how come you have an easy enough time understanding at least 95% of what I say? Perhaps has to do with the little thought you put into your posts.</p>
<p>Drab wrote:
"I have not admitted that I know very little about the process"</p>
<p>REALLY?? Then who wrote the following in an earlier post: "I don't have a great perspective on med school applications. . . I know a bit, but no, I don't claim to know too much about them." (hint: it was YOU)</p>
<p>UCRiverbed</p>
<p>Drab--Thank you. You're doing every college applicant a favor by distracting him.</p>