Is Berkeley falling apart?

<p>... not meant to be an insulting thread, so please don't flame. Meant more to inspire discussion as the Los Angeles Times seems to think so:</p>

<p><a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-me-berkeley28oct28,1,3831320.story%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-me-berkeley28oct28,1,3831320.story&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>"And he is just one in a line of prestigious researchers who have abandoned the university in recent years — or are threatening to today — in part because UC Berkeley simply cannot afford to build enough labs, upgrade technology or even keep the floors shiny."</p>

<p>"The campus has nearly $600 million in deferred maintenance costs and struggles to keep roofs patched, pipes sound and heating and ventilation systems working. It no longer washes windows, waxes floors, replaces worn carpets or paints interior walls."</p>

<p>"Plastic sheeting is tacked above equipment in some Birge Hall physics labs as protection from dripping pipes. The chairwoman of the music department raided research funds two years ago to paint dingy hallways so picky donors wouldn't turn away. Only 30% of the university's classrooms are wired for updated teaching technology."</p>

<p>If this is happening at Berkeley, the flagship UC campus, is this representative of what is happening (or will happen) at other UCs? Thoughts, CC?</p>

<p>public school... sigh</p>

<p>Blame it on Schwarzeneggar.</p>

<p>Yikes... if Berkeley continues to fall, schools like Princeton, Yale, and Duke may be able to catch up!!</p>

<p>It's all about the money!!!!Berkeley's endowment is not impressive for it's size,... the same is happening with some well regarded universities in Europe.
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_colleges_and_universities_by_endowment%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_US_colleges_and_universities_by_endowment&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Sounds like the Free Speech leaders from the 1960s now don't want to infringe on a building's right to fall apart.</p>

<p>It is indeed about the money. The publics are in some trouble. This is why schools such as Michigan have been building up a war chest. But it's not that they won't be excellent, but that they'll have increasing difficulty competing with the top twenty-thirty privates for the superstars.</p>

<p>Then again, this is one of the reasons for the dominance of the US in top level research. The endowments of the top 25 private schools dwarf the budgets of the top state schools worldwide -- especially when size is taken into account.</p>

<p>For reasons that are unclear to me, the US seems to be the only country where the top universities are mostly private and funded by gigantic private endowments. The closest are probably Oxford/Cambridge, which have both moved to build up endowments to go with state funding.</p>

<p>Most of the schools that have risen in the elite rankings in the past 50 years are those -- including Stanford, Penn, Northwestern, Duke, Wash U, Vanderbilt, Emory -- whose endowments have mostly grown at above average rates.</p>

<p>In Brazil the best universities are public...And they are having a lot of money issue as well..</p>

<p>the only top public schools in the US that don't really have major money problems are michigan, uva, and the texas system. we'll see what happens in the future with them.</p>

<p>and on a side note - i never want to see uva *****ing about money when they throw money out the window on some of the stupidest stuff i've ever seen. anyone remember those tents they set up on the lawn for the capital campaign thing? one of my professors told us that whole ordeal cost like $90k...and it killed all the grass on the south side of the lawn. wonderful.</p>

<p>Having just visited the campus, I would say that the report is highly exaggerated -- the buildings are not falling apart; the music department halls are still dingy but the new library is bright and beautiful. There is new construction all over campus. For a public school, their fundraising has been very impressive in recent years. I also recently visited Columbia -- which looked a lot worse than Berkeley in terms of infrastructure and number of functioning bathrooms.</p>

<p>mamenyu: "highly exaggerated"? I think not. Here's a picture I recently took of the Physics building that was built just 8 years ago: <a href="http://www.jcsm.org/Pictures/Parthenon_front_pc.jpg%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.jcsm.org/Pictures/Parthenon_front_pc.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>It DOES have a certain classical design, though. One of those timeless ones. Doric, anyone?</p>

<p>The ventilation system is state-of-the art, but the building's style is one that will never catch on.</p>

<p>"mamenyu: "highly exaggerated"? I think not. Here's a picture I recently took of the Physics building that was built just 8 years ago: <a href="http://www.jcsm.org/Pictures/Parthenon_front_pc.jpg"&gt;www.jcsm.org/Pictures/Parthenon_front_pc.jpg&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;/p>

<p>hahaha</p>

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For reasons that are unclear to me, the US seems to be the only country where the top universities are mostly private and funded by gigantic private endowments. The closest are probably Oxford/Cambridge, which have both moved to build up endowments to go with state funding.

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<p>Actually, I would say that the reason is quite clear. It's because the US has been more free-market-oriented than most other countries have been, and so the philosophy is that numerous private entities should be allowed to compete for dominance, as opposed to running higher education through dirigiste diktat (i.e. much of continental Europe). The fact that European professors are usually civil servants and the top European universities are government-run makes them unusually susceptible to the vagaries of bad government policy, like when the Nazi government decided to fire all German Jewish professors, many of which ended up in US universities. The government has comparatively little control over what happens in US private universities, and especially not over what happens with private university profs who are tenured, which means that they are basically unfireable without cause. The policies of one bad university administration might bring down that one university, but won't bring them all down the way that one bad government can cause the quality of all public schools in the whole country to decline (again, consider the example of the the Nazis vis-a-vis Jewish professors). </p>

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And he is just one in a line of prestigious researchers who have abandoned the university in recent years — or are threatening to today — in part because UC Berkeley simply cannot afford to build enough labs, upgrade technology or even keep the floors shiny."</p>

<p>"The campus has nearly $600 million in deferred maintenance costs and struggles to keep roofs patched, pipes sound and heating and ventilation systems working. It no longer washes windows, waxes floors, replaces worn carpets or paints interior walls."</p>

<p>"Plastic sheeting is tacked above equipment in some Birge Hall physics labs as protection from dripping pipes. The chairwoman of the music department raided research funds two years ago to paint dingy hallways so picky donors wouldn't turn away. Only 30% of the university's classrooms are wired for updated teaching technology."</p>

<p>If this is happening at Berkeley, the flagship UC campus, is this representative of what is happening (or will happen) at other UCs? Thoughts, CC?

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It is indeed about the money.

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<p>Actually, I think it's not just about the money. Money is only part of the explanation. The other explanation has to do with the culture of the administration that is in charge.</p>

<p>The article complains about the lack of maintenance, grime, and general decrepitude of the Berkeley campus. Well, let's do a comparative analysis. The truth is, the campus of, say, MIT is pretty darn grimy and broken-down too. The Infinite Corridor is not exactly ritzy, and is downright filthy in certain places, especially some of the bathrooms. The Sloan School, which is supposed to be flush with cash on a per-student basis, nevertheless has a lot of broken classroom chairs and grungy hallways (especially in the original Sloan Building). And then you have ridiculously ugly buildings like E33 (the Rinaldi Tile Buildings). I mean, seriously, look at that thing. That things looks more at home in a condemned burnt-out urban ghetto. But, no, it is an actual MIT campus building. </p>

<p><a href="http://web.mit.edu/campus-map/objimgs/object-E33.jpg%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://web.mit.edu/campus-map/objimgs/object-E33.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>MIT has a lot of money. Money is not the real issue. The real issue is that MIT doesn't want to spend the money to spruce itself up. In fact, MIT tour guides once even touted the campus's ugliness as a strength - that since they're clearly not spending much money on campus maintenance, they must be spending it on the education. I am convinced that even if MIT were to obtain the largest endowment in the country, they still wouldn't spend it on beautifying the campus. </p>

<p>Nor is MIT alone. You can look at Harvard. While parts of Harvard are gorgeous (for example, the campus of Harvard Business School looks like a country-club from heaven), others are shoddily maintained. The innards of the Science Center, for example, is quite grungy, and that bathrooms are sometimes scarily filthy. Some of the buildings around the Yard are not exactly well maintained - i.e. the classrooms in Harvard Hall ain't exactly examples of splendor. Harvard has more money than God, and even Harvard's campus is not exactly pristine.</p>

<p>The point is, I think what matters far more is the culture of the administration, and specifically what the administration chooses to prioritize. I believe that even if Berkeley were to get a boatload of money, they still wouldn't spend it on maintenance. They still wouldn't spend it on teaching facilities. Harvard Business School is beautiful because the HBS administrations WANTS it to be beautiful, and so the administration makes it a priority. I personally think they make it to be TOO much of a priority, as it is extremely annoying to be woken up by a leafblower at 7AM on a Saturday morning. But anyway, the point is, it comes down to a matter of what the administration wants to do. If the administration doesn't care about having a clean campus, all the money in the world isn't going to change anything.</p>

<p>I absolute LOVE UC Berkeley (to visit friends and go to athletic events), but the school/surrounding area is kind of janky. I'm a huge Cal Bear fan, but there's no way that I could go to school there.</p>

<p>why not spend a little bit of the endowment to fix these problems?</p>

<p>When I was attending Indiana University, I was always amazed at how sparkling clean the whole campus was--inside the buildings and outside the buildings. Notre Dame, likewise, seems spotless top to bottom. Perhaps it's just a matter of the administration putting an emphasis on cleanliness and maintenance. It's not going to happen by accident, and it won't happen unless somebody makes it a high priority.</p>

<p>wrath,</p>

<p>schools functioning in the black never touch a penny of their endowment money. theres hardly ever a reason to go into the endowment to fix anything, let alone some dirty bathrooms.</p>

<p>this just goes to show that public schools can't compete with the top privates.</p>