<p>Some people say Berkeley is regarded every bit as good as HYPSM in Asia. Is that true??? do any of you have any experience that can attest to that??</p>
<p>Oh, you have no idea. Berkeley and UCLA are extremely highly regarded in India.</p>
<p>UCLA is good too, but Berkeley is at par with YPSM as far as prestige in India goes..</p>
<p>In Korea, Berkeley is in par with HYPS</p>
<p>UCLA is more well known than some ivy (brown, dartmouth, cornell)</p>
<p>@GPAx213 - I agree. UCB is ranked on par with HYPS... UCLA is highly regarded too, but not as much as UCB</p>
<p>According to my dad, yeah.</p>
<p>I don't think YP are as famous in Asia because they aren't as science-oriented, at least not as much as Harvard, Stanford, and MIT. But yes Berkeley is ranked up there with HSM.</p>
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<p>Well, not so much "science-oriented," but because they're not quite the research powerhouses that HSMB (odd acronym there) are.</p>
<p>Oh its not like that. In India at least, Princeton and Yale are some of the top colleges which students prefer to apply to, even those who wish to pursue Engineering or Technology for that matter..</p>
<p>My dad is East Asian. In East Asia (Japan, Taiwan, China), some people haven't even heard of Princeton. Yale is probably more famous internationally than Princeton though.</p>
<p>very good!!!</p>
<p>Shanghai Jiao Tong University ranked Berkeley as the 4th best university in the world, after Harvard, Stanford, Cambridge and Berkeley. That's not a sign of how well Berkeley is regarded in Asia (the highly-respected index relies entirely on objective factors, unlike USNWR, which factors in reputation), but it may be a further influence on Cal's already high reputation in Asia.</p>
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Shanghai Jiao Tong University ranked Berkeley as the 4th best university in the world, after Harvard, Stanford, Cambridge and Berkeley.
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<p>Damn, Berkeley always beats itself! One day, one ranking... Berkeley will beat Berkeley.</p>
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<p>Actually, from China, I think UCLA is much much more recognized. Maybe smaller countries like Japan/Taiwan/Korea knows about Berkeley</p>
<p>^^No, not correct. Shanghai Jiao Tong University is a Chinese university. My 85 years old friend in China thought UCB is the best in America because of all the media coverage in China.</p>
<p>^^ When did Cal get coverage in China? As far as popular media is concerned and I'm sure Chinese is more exposed to UCLA. Most of the 1.5 billion population anyway don't care too much about Shanghai Jiao Tong rankings (?) (...). </p>
<p>Sorry, I forgot we're in the Berkeley forums. I meant Berkeley is the bestest evers.</p>
<p>Actually I'm a grad student from Cal and have visited LA for conferences.. Cal is def not as spectacular. I think it would be difficult to say Cal = Harvard. Foreign Asians just think that traveling to America to study is prestigious in its own right.</p>
<p>Some of my friends dread TAing due to undergrad quality (ask around). But I think the grad students are of the highest quality, not to praise my own kind... well I guess I just did, but probably most can agree on these forums that Cal grad >> undergrad. And the prestige kinda lends over.</p>
<p>UCLA could be more recognized, though I doubt it, but this is about prestige and UCLA is not as prestigious as Berkeley. As for Cal not being as "spectacular" alot of people really like UCLA's campus, I'll give its in a nice area, but in my opinion LA's campus is eh okay...kept up nice but ill take the bay views over the smog anyday. Also I think Berkeley's classical core is much nicer and much more unique than LA's royce hall architecture.....you can find brick architecture at any other college from Harvard to FSU, but thats just my opinion.</p>
<p>This year Berkeley's ranked number 3 by Shanghai Jiao Tong University behind the 'Furd and Haavahd</p>
<p>"Some of my friends dread TAing due to undergrad quality (ask around). But I think the grad students are of the highest quality, not to praise my own kind... well I guess I just did, but probably most can agree on these forums that Cal grad >> undergrad. And the prestige kinda lends over."</p>
<p>This is invariably true. Here at Cal, the dichotomy of student quality is apparent with the good being extraordinary and the bad being completely dismal. The students who are not well-prepared for this level of work are abundant, while the competent Cal undergrads are extremely competitive. Impatient grad students don't want to be bothered by the less competent students and hounded by the extremely competitive for regrades, letters of recommendations, and mundane things. In most cases, however, grad students are understanding when it comes to teaching undergrads as they realize they were once as incompetent in the field as the undergrads are.</p>
<p>Of course, grad students' disdain for teaching undergrads is coupled with undergrads' thorough hatred for having some GSI's who speak little English. Many grad students are international students and dread becoming GSI's because of the language barrier, which is especially difficult for science majors since they require extensive and well-versed explanations.</p>
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Here at Cal, the dichotomy of student quality is apparent with the good being extraordinary and the bad being completely dismal.
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<p>Highly disagree. The "bad" aren't nearly as bad as some like to make them seem; it's arrogant to consider the "less competent" ones to be "completely dismal."</p>
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<p>Considering that Berkeley's grad rate is 90%, I don't think they're as "abundant" as you think.</p>
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<p>Broad, sweeping claims...</p>
<p>I just wonder how many "impatient grad students" there are in comparison to the understanding ones.</p>
<p>The majority of those from India/China/Korea/Tokyo students who enroll at Cal went to undergrad in their own IITs/TokyoUs/Seoul National Us/TsingHaus (great international undergrads) AND THEN came to Cal for their graduate work. This is usually not the other way around. Serious work is usually done at the graduate level. </p>
<p>As another broad, sweeping claim, I feel as though the majority undergrads here just want their 4.0s and have no fundamental respect for the material.</p>
<p>I am proud to say Cal is a great school, but humble enough to understand that that it is only one of many especially in California.</p>