<p>I have been thinking about applying to these two ivies and I was wondering if the statement above was true. A lot of people have been saying that to me and the acceptance rate for brown seems a little higher…but I am an intl student so would that change anything?</p>
<p>i guess that statement is true.. ceteris paribus, being an international student will not change that statement. more questions?</p>
<p>you could take into consideration that more people apply to Yale. [I think]</p>
<p>assuming you not interested in the PLME program, yale is more selective which is the best measure of how hard a school is to get into on average.</p>
<p>interestingly, ten years ago Brown had the lower admission rate but since then, the gap has reversed.</p>
<p>no. tenchar</p>
<p>Yale is tougher. Its gotten MUCH tougher the last 10 years. 10 years ago Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, and Columbia all were within a couple points of each other in terms of acceptance rate.</p>
<p>According to the Princeton</a> Review, Brown is easier.</p>
<p>Let's understand something. Brown's principal overlap colleges are Harvard, Wesleyan, Oberlin, Tufts, and Bowdoin. Not Yale, Dartmouth, or most of the rest of the Ivies. Yale has consciously pursued a course of soliciting as many applicants as possible over the last decade, as has Harvard. Brown really hasn't. Brown's application process is has been more detailed, and it doesn't use the common online application, so in terms of sheer volume, it doesn't have as many apps as Yale. Nonetheless, it still had over 20,000 applicants for the most recent applicant cycle. The truth of the matter is that there are a significant number of Brown rejects in Yale's student body. Brown's admit rate is a legitimate 13%. Yale's admit rate may be in single digits, but it, along with Harvard, plays admissions games to give the illusion of being more selective than it really is. Let's look at Harvard, the school Yale considers it peer. Harvard admits "a lot" of unqualified students. Look up Blair Hornstine, Gina Grant, and Kaayva Viswanathan. Harvard admitted all of these women and later had to rescind admissions because it found out their applications were fraudulent. And these were only the ones stupid enough to get caught. To my knowledge, Brown has never admitted someone and then had to rescind admissions because they found out the applicant was a fraud. It's more personalized admissions process has provided a measure of security in this regard. These two schools also admit some very unintelligent, and, in some cases dangerously antisocial people that Brown doesn't. Witness Yale educated W. who got Iraq wrong versus Brown educated Lincoln Chaffee who got it right. Or Harvard educated Ted Kacysnki(The Unabomber). A total misfit. Brown's admissions process militates against admitting these egregious mistakes. So to answer the question, Yale has "the appearance" of being more selective, but in reality, it isn't.</p>
<p>kristina -- </p>
<p>statistics like that are misleading. you have to consider things like the size and quality and size of the applicant pool. For instance, JHU and Harvey Mudd are EXTREMELY selective, however, have high admit rates. Why? Few applicants. But extremely qualified applicants.</p>
<p>Easier for who? The question is only relevant when applied to people like you. In your case, for example, the relevant question might be what is the acceptance rate for internationals. It could be quite different than the rate for all applicants. There are probably certain credentials that make Harvard easier to get into for some applicants, and Brown easier for others. Those are difficult to know, however (except legacy, maybe). It's probably true that for the "average" applicant, Brown is "easier" to get into. But there is no average applicant.</p>
<p>Pinder let's not get crazy here. The truth is it's mostly Hunt and Clay that are right here.</p>
<p>The truth is, there is very little difference in difficulty by most measures and you're somewhat splitting hairs. All Brown students are qualified for Yale and vice versa, though that does not mean that the same set of students would have gotten into either with the applicant pools switched. There is a human judging element here that is unpredictable and unsystematic that makes the entire process difficult to compare places which is why typically the statistic is admit rate and ends there.</p>
<p>Pinder is so ridiculous, he/ she is not even worth responding to.</p>
<p>And Yale, Dartmouth are absolutely cross-apps with Yale. I know probably 10 Brown applicants my year who also applied to Yale and Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Well, we all know what got Ted Kacynski into his Harvard were his essays...</p>
<p>...and his recommendation from Charles Manson.</p>
<p>i also disagree with pinder on this. my year there was incredible overlap between brown and yale (these were my top two schools as well!)</p>
<p>Pinder is insane.</p>
<p>Pinder. Nice adhoc attacks. Real tasteful. </p>
<p>I'm sure Brown has produced just as many if not more retards as Harvard/Yale. (Sry for those reading this who isn't pinder...this is more of a rebuke to him than Brown...which I think is an amazing school).</p>
<p>lol.... and agree with slipper. Missed that last post.</p>
<p>I don't know where Pinder got his idea of Brown's overlaps. From my experience, I think Brown overlaps most with Dartmouth and Yale, but I could be wrong. Different applicants get into Brown and Yale, as both are looking for some different things in an applicant. While many people think Yale is harder to get into, it is really a matter of what kind of applicants and how many are applying to each school. More people apply to Yale and truthfully, in most cases I think Yale is more difficult to get into. However, it is definitely not by much and I can assure you there are many Yale accepted students who were not accepted at Brown if they applied.</p>
<p>I'm sort of going to throw my own question into this thread and hope that I'll get a few responses: </p>
<p>I feel that my application will be pretty special but not overall "strong"... my GPA, while definitely "not bad" is also far from "great," and my test scores are pretty good, except for math which is, once again, far from "great." What I do bring the table is a very unique and--forgive me--impressive set of accomplishments... I also am a little different than most applicants in that I decided to graduate high school a full year early. Is it reasonable or totally naive for me to think I have a better chance getting into Brown than I do into Yale or Harvard or one of those other schools that are ostensibly much more concerned with numbers and less concerned with the individual?</p>