Is college worth it?

<p>An interesting article posted by Forbes.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/0327/039.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2006/0327/039.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Is College Worth It?
Rich Karlgaard, 03.27.06, 12:00 AM ET</p>

<p>Asset classes--stocks, bonds, real estate, collectibles--are always competing with one another. Each clamors for our spare dollars. For periods we favor one asset class over others (e.g., stocks from 1982 to 2000). But when a collective judgment is reached that a particular asset class has been bid up too high, dollars are pulled and the asset class shrinks in value. Real estate may now be at that point.</p>

<p>I can think of only one asset class that in my adult life has outperformed GDP growth plus inflation yet has been blissfully immune from busts--any busts at all. That is the value of a four-year-college degree. When I graduated from college in 1976, our class joker had T shirts made up that said “$24,000 for one diploma and a lousy T shirt.” Actually my diploma and shirt cost only $12,000, as I had transferred from a community college where I’d been on a track scholarship. Those Adidas spikes, pricey at $24.95 in the early 1970s, were a great investment.</p>

<p>Today it costs $175,000 to send your kid to my alma mater. Yep--that’s the market price for four years of tuition and expenses at any elite private college. Did I say elite? Sorry. The second- and third-tier private colleges have also learned this economics game. They, too, are charging north of $100,000 for a four-year degree. And parents are lining up to write checks.</p>

<p>Do you suspect that this asset class--a four-year-college degree--might be overpriced? I do, for three reasons:</p>

<h1>Search engines such as Google (nasdaq: GOOG - news - people ) have ushered in the era of open-source learning. Society is rapidly progressing to the point where any Googler is on equal footing with a Widener Library pass-holder.</h1>

<h1>Most of today’s higher-paying jobs go to those who exhibit a combination of adaptable intelligence, numeracy, communications skills and a strong work ethic, as opposed to evidence of specific knowledge.</h1>

<h1>Which leads to a third, and no doubt controversial, point. Society once counted on universities to imbue students with the traits named in the paragraph above. It was once assumed, for instance, that a liberal arts degree holder was numerate and literate and knew how to draw lessons from history, weigh evidence, think, write, speak, debate and learn. Or so Larry Summers, the ex-Harvard president, innocently imagined. He thought undergrads should learn about the math-and-science-driven world they’d be entering as adults. This belief conflicted with the postmodern professoriat that prefers cutting rap records to teaching--or, if forced to teach, teaches liberation theology over the American Revolution. Summers lost the battle.</h1>

<p>My prediction is that parents who risk their own financial security shelling out $100,000 to $175,000 for a four-year degree will lose, too. History will show that they could have achieved far greater returns for themselves and their children in other asset classes. Why does the price of a four-year degree keep rising? Past performance is one reason. The cost of college degrees earned in the 1940s--tuition at Yale was $450 in 1940--through the 1980s looks like a bargain compared with the cost of those today. The return on investment for older degrees has been spectacular. Take a well-known statistic: As recently as the 1970s, there was little difference in the lifetime earning potential between a high school grad and a four-year-college degree holder. But in just one generation the four-year degree holder has leaped ahead in the earnings wars. In 2003 he could have expected to earn 62% more than the high school grad. But there’s no guarantee the present trend will hold. It might even reverse. The same forces--technology and globalism--that quelled the wage growth of blue-collar workers may do the same to white-collar workers. Already software writers feel salary pressure from India, cartoon animators from China, classified ad salesmen from Ebay and so on. Despite this, you may conclude that my opinion of the worth of a college degree is nonsense. Degrees have always gone up in value, you think, and always will. Degree Is Just a ProxyOkay. Allow me to pose a question. Suppose you are an employer and are filling jobs for which no credential is required. In other words, for typical white-collar jobs--product design and engineering, sales, marketing, non-CPA accounting work and so forth. Would you pay a steep salary premium for a four-year degree holder versus a high school grad? You might. Perhaps you’d think the four-year degree speaks to the job applicant’s intelligence, along with a certain facility to set goals and finish them. But what if you could guarantee those qualities in other ways (military service, missionary work, etc.)? See, I think the Harvard or Yale degree is worth plenty, not because of what Harvard or Yale teaches--the postmodern university can do more harm than good; witness Yale’s admission of a former Taliban spokesman. The degree simply puts an official stamp on the fact that the student was intelligent, hardworking and competitive enough to get into Harvard or Yale in the first place. May I present to the jury Bill Gates? He was smart enough to get into Harvard. Then he proved his financial intelligence by dropping out to start a company. Okay, enough Harvard/Yale whipping. Like oceanfront property, their degrees will always command a premium and will probably pay out a terrific ROI. The same is true of degrees from 10 to 20 other private colleges. But beyond those 10 to 20 schools, I suspect the price of a four-year, private college degree--$100,000 to $175,000--will be money poorly invested. </p>

<p>What do you guys think?</p>

<p>interesting, </p>

<p>college may be overpriced, but i don't think its nessisarily pointless just yet. the googe point was stupid...no search engine is going to replace a college education (and i haven't even gotten one yet) but im sure its something nice. for most people its probably an accomplishment and important part of 'completing their identity' as well as improving job prospects and expanding their options. expensive HELL YES, especially privates. they're just outrageous and hard to understand for me, as a californian whos used to affordable CSUs and UCs. anyways yeah thast my 2 cents</p>

<p>I don't believe the four year college degree will ever become worthless, but with more kids going to college and graduating from years past, the value of a BA/BS will diminish.</p>

<p>Increasing numbers of college students, older generations retiring later, government neglecting education, other countries becoming more industrialized and churning out graduates, technology simplifying the workplace, rising costs of college, etc.</p>

<p>We aren't going to create enough jobs to defeat all of those factors.</p>

<p>Think about Get-Rich schemes. If you knew how to get rich, you wouldn't tell everyone. Then it gets around and everyone starts doing it and they only start showing up on infomercials once the techniques stop working. Results not typical. We've been constantly sold that college is going to make everyone so much richer. You'll make 10000% more in your lifetime than a high school grad right!? That's what worked for people 20-30 years ago. Now the word is out and everyone's getting a degree. The technique isn't useless yet, but it will be soon :p Except for the top .1% that get into Harvard. But remember, results not typical :p</p>

<p>I want to go to college because I really want to learn (no, seriously), create a strong social network, and have a good transition between being HS and getting a real life. I don't think a college education is absolutely necessary in terms of what you learn and what you will use in your career, but it does help. Is paying $150,000 (I'm an intl student) worth it? Probably not for the reasons I've listed above.</p>

<p>However, I want to get an MBA, so I need a solid job and career in order to get in and good GPA/GMAT, which I will be able to get after a good college. So I guess the MBA would cost just less than $200,000. But if I work for 4 years after college with $50,000-70,000/year, and $75-175,000/year after MBA, assuming I save 10G a year before MBA and 30G after MBA, I should pay it all off a couple of 5 years after MBA, by the time I start making millions...</p>

<p>I'm so naive it hurts</p>

<p>"You'll make 10000% more in your lifetime than a high school grad right!? That's what worked for people 20-30 years ago. Now the word is out and everyone's getting a degree. The technique isn't useless yet, but it will be soon Except for the top .1% that get into Harvard. But remember, results not typical"
Thats not true at all. Did you read the article? It said in there the gap between HS graduates and college grads was nonexistent during the 70's because of the strength and importance of blue-collar jobs. Only recently has the sector of the American economy dropped off. </p>

<p>College, education in general, will always be worth it. Not in the sense that you make more piles of money than the other 66% of Americans that don't have a degree, I'm talking about the experience and mental maturity that will never be lost. Very few people I know that go to 4-year schools come out the same. With that said, the high cost ($100,000?!?!) is really outrageous. It separates those who have the means from those who don't. We could be leaving many bright soles behind just because of the costs of education. Schools (especially research institutions) should find a way to make profitable there discoveries and innovations, instead of passing the costs to the students.</p>

<p>But to an employer, a college degree is simply a stamp of a certain amount of intelligence. Yet, modern communications systems and the ability to get information anywhere will soon find ways to break the college system and increase economic efficiency. For examply, MIT now posts all the materials given to their students online for free. I've read about people literally just studying along with the classes and learning everything an MIT student would.</p>

<p>How about starting life with a 125K nestegg? If you're self-motivated to learn stuff on your own, which is becoming all the more possible with the internet, you can make a great career as an entrepreneur. </p>

<p>Don't get me wrong. I'm not hammering on the futility of college. College is very important, but not worth it at full price. Students expect to be handed a job coming out of a reputable school, but if a person doesn't have tenacity, character, and the ability to communicate that won't last long. It doesn't seem that way because a good percentage of the time, those who work hard at prestigious universities have that work ethic anyways. They might of been just as successful at their local state flagship. </p>

<p>On somewhat of a sidenote, do you guys think that applicants to state universities are going to see a drastic rise in applicant quality as the impact of these high tuition rates and hikes in the interest on federal student loans sets in?</p>

<p>(that's why we go to community college guys.)</p>

<p>Yes. A college diploma still signals to employers that you have a requisite quantity of intelligence and work ethic. Still, only a fool would pay six figures for a second or third tier college (over a more affordable public school).</p>

<p>i don't get why nyu is so goddarn expensive. just bc of the location, it doesn't give them the right to think they are ivey or something. uc berkeley is ranked much higher but is so much more affordable. i say to h*** with private school tuition!</p>

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<p>You don't know much about private schools do you? It's especially obvious as you are talking down on NYU. You obviously have no idea on the web of connections that school has with the entire United States. You seem to judge what a school should cost based on "rankings". Getting a good job after college is what you go to school for. You go to a college so you can come out and be successful in this world. Who cares if the school you went to isn't "ranked" as high as others. Not saying Berkeley isn't a good school.. as it is... however you need to understand why certain schools cost more than others.</p>

<p>NYU costs so much because so many private schools cost so much. It's also in one of the most expensive areas to live in the nation.</p>

<p>In reality, you can get a good job out of a UC or out of NYU. If you want to work on Wall Street or if you want to do Dramatic theater, then NYU will have a leg up of course. </p>

<p>NYu is going to cost you more. If you go there, you are simply taking a calculated risk if you expect your college degree to pay itself back. </p>

<p>The bigger lesson to learn here is to take full advantage of any university you decide to pay for.</p>

<p>well i think going to college is important because getting a good job is based on who you know. my mom got a new job making double because her friend let her in on a job that just opened up. my dad just got a new job (a damn good one at that) because of some people he knew. sure the education aspect is good but i would say that 60% of the reason i am going to college is to get to know new people. i have chosen to go to a private and expensive school because all the kids there are rich and their parents are in upper-management at places in dallas. they might end up working for that company and might have a job opening and let me in on it. sure tuition is a ***** at private colleges but i opted to take 39 hours at a cc and transfer in.</p>

<p>College is expensive and it is a shame that those in my parents generation chose not to focus on education and keeping costs affordable for future generations. However, at any price, a college education gives you many more options in life and that is invaluable.</p>

<p>It would also help if baby boomers retired, cause they are just clogging the job market. :-p</p>

<p>Private colleges are obscenely overpriced. Maybe not the Harvards, but certainly the hundreds of second and third tier schools. It also doesn't help that too many students choose stupid majors. There is value is a college degree... but monetarily not as much as you might think</p>

<p>As unfortunate as it is, I totally agree. I'm always amazed by some of these Classics majors wondering why they can't get a job in their field coming out of Emory. Monetarily, you'll do better with an IT degree out of the University of South Carolina.</p>

<p>Personally, I'm most likely headed to American university next year even though I could of found admission in some mid to low end Ivy. Why? A $25K scholarship and a chance to network in DC is the reason why. It's not a brand name school, but the school is very well respected in the social sciences arena. Plus while some Ivy-league alumni tears his or her hair out paying interest on those loans, at least I will know whatever money I make will be mine (and the government's, of course).</p>

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Increasing numbers of college students, older generations retiring later, government neglecting education, other countries becoming more industrialized and churning out graduates, technology simplifying the workplace, rising costs of college, etc.</p>

<p>We aren't going to create enough jobs to defeat all of those factors.</p>

<p>Think about Get-Rich schemes. If you knew how to get rich, you wouldn't tell everyone. Then it gets around and everyone starts doing it and they only start showing up on infomercials once the techniques stop working. Results not typical. We've been constantly sold that college is going to make everyone so much richer. You'll make 10000% more in your lifetime than a high school grad right!? That's what worked for people 20-30 years ago. Now the word is out and everyone's getting a degree. The technique isn't useless yet, but it will be soon Except for the top .1% that get into Harvard. But remember, results not typical

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<p>States spend nearly 50% of their budget on education plus Federal handouts. Neglecting that money, I would say yes; underfunding education, no. </p>

<p>If someone really wants a college degree, they will get it.. It is not a question if these people will get a college degree, it is where they will get that degree.</p>