Is comp sci in Stanford relatively harder to get into than other majors?

I have read a few posts about how Stanford admissions doesn’t really consider your major, so it doesn’t matter what major (or even undetermined) you choose when you apply.

However, I have also heard from various anecdotal evidence that competition is extremely tough for CS in Stanford compared to other majors. So my question is would I be better off applying undetermined or to a less competitive major(eg. math) and then switch majors when I get accepted or does applying for CS straight up not make a difference. Thanks in advance.

Were you to do two minutes of internet research – isn’t that your job? – you’d doubtless find this webpage (http://admission.stanford.edu/application/freshman/apply.html), which states: “Keep in mind that when you apply to Stanford, you apply to the university as a whole, not to a particular department or school. While we encourage you to indicate prospective majors and career interests, these selections are informational only. Stanford does not make admission decisions based on major interest.”

Stanford is one of the few schools that can truly boast top programs in nearly every discipline, so I imagine admissions for all majors just as tough.

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Stanford appears to accommodate all students into CS. But that does mean exploding CS class sizes.

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I am a Stanford undergraduate, and I recently looked at the comments that my admission officers made on my file. These comments as well as the comments that many of my friends received on their reader cards suggest that Stanford does, indeed, consider choice of major when evaluating applicants, despite their assertions to the contrary. It seems like they compare you to others who are applying for the same major. For example, one of my friends applied as an X major (not disclosing so as to protect his privacy), and his admission officers wrote something to this effect on his file: “Strong applicant, but we have stronger people who want to major in X.” Some of my friends who selected less popular majors (i.e., philosophy) had comments on their files to the effect of, “We should take this person since he/she is really strong AND wants to major in this underrepresented field.”

So it appears that your choice of major could potentially have SOME affect on your admission decision. It is true, though, that once you get to Stanford, you can choose whatever you want. I’ve known people who’ve entered wanting to do Music, Philosophy, History, Math, etc. and have ended up doing CS instead.

Since Stanford’s CS numbers are quite bloated, I can’t help but think that admissions is actively trying to keep the number of undergrads interested in CS under control. The Dean of Admission gets at least some of the blame from the Faculty Senate when they become discontent about so many students flocking to CS. Therefore, if I were choosing between ranking CS first and ranking Math first, then I would probably choose Math.

Please note that admissions has a pretty good ability to tell if people are misrepresenting their interests so as to gain an advantage. For example, if all of an applicant’s EC’s in high school involved programming/robotics and this person applied as a History major interested in pre-law, then admissions would likely be able to tell that this applicant is gaming the system. Such applicants are instant turn-offs and are usually rejected. So the “I want to major in something underrepresented” hook only works if you have demonstrated interest and talent in a field that is underrepresented at Stanford (i.e., anything involving the humanities). I don’t think that wanting to major in Math will help too much, as Math is still a STEM field, and Stanford is trying hardest to recruit humanities and social science kids.

You should also know that intended major is only one of many factors that are considered during the admissions process, and in some cases, applying for a very popular major like CS could be advantageous. I would be willing to say that a female minority with demonstrated interest in CS would be a very strong applicant, but that’s just speculative.

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@aleaiactaest

Just curious on a tangent here, were there any other interesting observations you gleaned from reading your admission file?

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Feel free to ignore snarky responses from posters, OP. Yes, Stanford states that it does not consider the intended major, but you are right to wonder if there is ever the chance that a school (probably not Stanford, but you never know) wants/needs to fill a less popular major. Good luck.

Contrary to popular opinion, all the tippy top students don’t want to study CS.

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True, but that has nothing to do with the OP’s question, JOD. I think post #4 is very helpful.

Yes, it does. The underlying theory is that it’s hard to get in as a CS major, so an applicant would have better chances masquerading as something else.

See post #2.

Will agree to disagree. The fact that there will always be students who want to major in something else has nothing to do with the high number seeking to be CS majors. See post #4.

Thanks everyone for your input. And @aleaiactaest I really appreciate that detailed analysis. As a international asian male, I am already up against crazy competition. So i guess declaring for CS wouldn’t make that much of a difference, especially since most of my ECs are CS related.

@aleaiactaest where did you find those comments from admin officers? I thought if you were rejected/accepted all you would recieve would be a software-generated email?

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@Jaybee2016 http://www.stanforddaily.com/2015/03/09/first-students-gain-access-to-their-admissions-files-through-ferpa-provision/

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I think you have to be careful drawing too many conclusions based on a very small “n”.
Masquerading as something other than a CS student because you think it boosts your admissions chances at Stanford would likely make you worse off.

People change their majors all the time.Maybe, just maybe, this poster might actually like to consider being a math major.

There isn’t a whole lot of respect at quality programs for major-changing opportunists.

Many, many kids change their major. And like it or not, some do initially identify a potentially less common major. If their HS academics and extracurriculars don’t match up, its pretty easy to spot. Schools and admissions are not stupid.