Is Cornell Secretly the Best Ivy?

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<p>Nintendo President, much?
(America)</p>

<p>You don’t get your Pok</p>

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<p>Lol this is good stuff for my why Cornell essay…</p>

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<p>reread the list of Fortune 500 CEO’s - more Cornell undergrads than Penn or Columbia. Sorry. You’re ill-informed.</p>

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<p>^chill…I wouldn’t consider Cornell the best ivy. We may have better specialized programs, but the prestige, resources, quality of students, and networks/job opportunities are better at other schools. I can’t complain about Cornell though.</p>

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<p>First off, comparing UG programs is the best way to show academic success, since generally Grad schools are proportionally larger as compared to the participants in the field, so many successful people do get Harvard, Columbia, or Penn grad degrees because they want to be in the City and may already be established there or nearby, so they cannot trek up to Ithaca or Hannover to do so. Thus, UG is a level playing field essentially. </p>

<p>Cornell’s got the most vocational emphasis of all of the Ivy League. Essentially, it’s a great school if you’re learning as a means, not an ends, and frankly, I think the majority of High Schoolers feel that way about a college; we don’t want it to be the be all, end all of our careers, but we want something that will stand out and show exemplary ethic, which Cornell does admirably. </p>

<p>Also, comparing “success” by the metric of CEO’s really is a brute tool, because that is one sector: business. There are many, many other ways to be successful in life than just to be the CEO of a Fortune 500 company.</p>

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<p>While I don’t buy into the notion that one school can be objectively better than another, I do think you’re missing the point. We all know that Harvard is the breeding ground of the ruling class, so it’s really not the school as much as the multi-generational culture of wealth that positions people for success. </p>

<p>I think you actually undermine your argument and prove the point the OP was trying to make. Cornell plays much more of an unsung hero role by preparing people for industries that support all of society rather than a few big name CEO positions. I just don’t think wealth is the bottom line of success for most of the industries for which Cornell educates people.</p>

<p>Might as well ask why the other private land grant university, MIT, doesn’t make this list of CEOs. Would you claim their graduates contribute less than others?</p>

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<p>This thread has turned from a positive one to a completely foolish one. There is simply no use for petty arguments about “The Best Ivy”. </p>

<p>Fools, fools, fools.</p>

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<p>Cornell is very good at keeping secrets it seems.</p>

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<p>Cornell is far cry away from being the ‘best Ivy’. Anyone who believes it is the best Ivy or even the upper tier Ivy should seriously be examined for sanity.</p>

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<p>There is one objective measurement for the quality of a University: how much can you learn while you’re there? Where can I learn the most about whatever I should be interested in? </p>

<p>Cornell has the most information available to all of its students, and all of it is guaranteed to have a high-quality standard of excellence. This makes it objectively the best school.</p>

<p>Where do the most people apply? Where do I have the best chance of advancing myself academically if I want to pursue postgrad? Where do the job recruiters of today’s economy look for talent?</p>

<p>As of right now Cornell is objectively ranked above all other Ivies in all of these categories.</p>

<p>most applicants:
[Ivy</a> League Admission Statistics for Class of 2014 Hernandez College Consulting, Inc. and Ivy League Admission Help](<a href=“http://www.hernandezcollegeconsulting.com/ivy-league-admissions-statistics-overall-2014/]Ivy”>http://www.hernandezcollegeconsulting.com/ivy-league-admissions-statistics-overall-2014/)</p>

<p>Best future in American Academia:
[Chinese</a> Schools Are Top Feeders for U.S. Doctorates - The Paper Trail (usnews.com)](<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/07/14/chinese-schools-are-top-feeders-for-us-doctorates]Chinese”>http://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/07/14/chinese-schools-are-top-feeders-for-us-doctorates)</p>

<p>Most career recruited Ivy:
[Best</a> Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ.com](<a href=“Best Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ”>Best Colleges & Universities - Ranked by Job Recruiters - WSJ)</p>

<p>this could easily descend into a war of statistics, so before things become grotesque… please, pray tell, why is it exactly that Cornell is inferior to any other ivy league school?</p>

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<p>Jesus you all need to get laid.</p>

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<p>@Caillebotte</p>

<p>That could be said for everyone on CC. Or at least the overbearing parents and hyperventilating nerds, which is 95% of the CC population.</p>

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<p>Several of the schools within Cornell are NY state schools and not considered Ivy League.</p>

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<p>@Horus Really??? So you’re saying that someone who goes to, let’s say, the ag school can’t be on any of the sports teams within the ivy league athletic conference?</p>

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You are profoundly misinformed. All of Cornell is private. All of Cornell is in the Ivy League.</p>

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<p>Wrong. I don’t even go to cornell and i know that Cornell ILR is partially public, partially private. A public school is characterized by whether it gets significant funding from government, and ILR gets a lot of funding from government.</p>

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<p>Is MIT a public school then?
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<p>[url=&lt;a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornell_university]Cornell”&gt;Cornell University - Wikipedia]Cornell</a> University - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_Institute_of_Technology]No[/url”>Massachusetts Institute of Technology - Wikipedia)
Second sentence.</p>

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<p>We can tell. </p>

<p>It’s unfortunate this thread has degenerated into the same old bickering. I think the original intent was to celebrate the uniqueness of Cornell. I don’t think anything derogatory was meant by “best Ivy League school.” We know different schools fit different students better. There’s no such thing as a best Ivy League school.</p>

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<p>Well, some of Cornell’s colleges are statutory, but that means that only part of their budget comes from the legislature. Trust me, they charge a heck of a lot more than any other “public” school, so I’d say they certainly have earned the right to be private, to say the least. </p>

<p>Second off, the Ivy League is an athletic conference, not this paradigm of prestige everybody makes it out be. ILR, CALS, and Hotel all provide emphases unique to the Ivy league institutions. It’s like saying Penn’s nursing program, which is phenomenally ranked, is not Ivy League. Ivy League simply is a term for Big Red’s sports teams, not their actual education.</p>

<p>Also, lest we forget, ILR gets somewhere in the order of $10,000,000 per year from NY State. Yes, that’s money, but in reality this portion of the budget of Cornell, which has an endowment in excess of 4 billion dollars, could easily be eliminated, should the school feel the desire to do so. However, Cornell fulfills a unique role in the State of New York’s higher education system, which the other Ivies aspire to match, in reality. Cornell is looked at as essentially the flagship state School, which I would say adds to its inclusiveness and ability to provide an excellent education, as opposed to the more traditional bastions of academic superiority complexes in Cambridge and Princeton.</p>

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<p>Beyond all this, “can a state-supported school still be an Ivy” nonsense (answer: yes. it’s been a publicly accountable land-grant institution since well before the Ivy League even existed.),</p>

<p>will someone please explain to me how any other Ivy League school is superior to Cornell? I feel I’ve made some good points, you know, gauging the quality of a degree based on the amount and quality of knowledge it represents. I don’t even know that any Ivy League university offers an undergraduate program that Cornell doesn’t offer a comparable program in, but I know for damn sure that Cornell offers a hell of a lot more than any other Ivy institution.</p>

<p>The secret’s out! One school is better than all the rest.</p>