Is Dartmouth is a sub-standard school?

<p>Spencer, No, I'm a dude</p>

<p>But uh, yeah the entire world "besides North America" would suck</p>

<p>If US wasn't the best country in the world, why does it man-handle Great Britain? In Great Britain, everyone talks about how Blair followed Bush blindly. In America, nobody cares who Blair even is. </p>

<p>Can you please detail how exactly America has declined in the past 20 years? I mean, aside from having the world's largest GDP, most influence (even with George Bush), and strongest military, I guess US isn't as good as it used to be. </p>

<p>Anyways, since you are taking your GMAT's, you might want to check out Dartmouth's business school (typically considered top 10 in America - and hey, want a good job, come to America).</p>

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I don't understand. So are you saying that it is hard to stay back in the US and work after graduation?</p>

<p>UK is getting quite liberal under the Blair govt. I know many of my seniors got to stay in the UK and work after they graduate, and they just stay on.</p>

<p>brunei/singapore</p>

<p>no i meant that people are flooding in.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Edartlife/archives/17-3/colleagues.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dartmouth.edu/~dartlife/archives/17-3/colleagues.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p><a href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Eugar/undergrad/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dartmouth.edu/~ugar/undergrad/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>thethoughtprocess, haha sorry...</p>

<p>One thing about US: because it is a pretty big and strong country, it does not need to care so much about world opinions. Wall Street can stand strong with only domestic listings. </p>

<p>For UK, it is much weaker as a nation. But somehow, its international influence punches above its size. London does not get all the IPOs easy. The British really played their cards right.</p>

<p>'International influence'? you mean eu influence. Most people on the other continents can't even point it out on a world map :-p</p>

<p><a href="http://www.dartmouth.edu/%7Eugar/undergrad/%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.dartmouth.edu/~ugar/undergrad/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>ohmadre: thanks ... nice...</p>

<p>I have a feeling that Dartmouth is a more humane place than places like Caltech, where it is very sink-or-swim and learning become a "drinking water from fire hose" event.</p>

<p>ammarsfound, </p>

<p>I don't think so... all of my classmates can point out the UK on the world map and knows the Prime Minister.</p>

<p>And they know that London won New York for 2012 Olympics!</p>

<p>I'm not talking about your classmates. I'm talking about the man on the street.</p>

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Spencer, in America Dartmouth is a top school. For international students trying to come to America (since its the best country in the world), you should probably learn something about American schools.

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Oh my gosh...you all stop making the US greater than it is. It's a nice country, but it also has drawbacks. I don't know where you're all coming from, but I don't see a real reason to move from Europe to the USA for example, except for personal reasons such as weather, atmosphere, blabla.</p>

<p>Saying that America is the <strong>best</strong> country in the world is not an adequate statement for a ~18 years old. Omfg, since when do we have a "best" country</p>

<p>aw5k, I hate you call you out, but please don't feed the troll. We want him gone.</p>

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Who started offensive comments first?

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<p>It certainly wasn't me.</p>

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The question is whether US News has been over-rating Dartmouth all the time because it is commonly regarded as an Ivy League blah blah blah whereas in THES and Shanghai Jiaotong, Dartmouth is rated like nothing more than a crap school.

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<p>Do you remember who wrote this spencer?</p>

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  • after the collapse of communism, US was the sole power of the world. But then EU regrouped, and EU-25 is a larger economy than US.
  • China is rising so quickly, and the net asset flow is from US to China (the trade deficient). It is hilarious to see Hank Paulson sitting thru a 25-mins lecture by Wu Yi on 5000 yrs of history of China when all he wanted was to get the China rise the value of Chinese Renmanbi.
  • US: 9/11 shaked up security fears. tougher border checks and migration control. US's "melting pot" is declining.
  • Enron and Worldcom: leaded to SOX and this one really hurted. Even Michael Bloomberg issued a statement saying IPOs are fast going to London and HK, and SOX must die. </p>

<p>US has declined a lot, esp. during Bush.</p>

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thethoughtprocess, I have something to tell you. Go count the number of countries that are ex-British colonies. Then count the number of countries that are under heavy American influence.</p>

<p>I can safely tell you, that an Oxbridge degree would serve you better than a Dartmouth one in most places around the world bar North America.

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<p>I'm convinced we can't even reason with this guy anymore. Nobody ever disputed that an Oxbridge degree will serve you well. </p>

<p>spencer just wants to keep sticking it up to people who are against his opinions. thethoughtprocess put in his word, why won't you just accept it spencer?</p>

<p>Mayor gives New York a wake-up call</p>

<p>Andrew Clark in New York
Tuesday January 23, 2007</p>

<p>The mayor of New York has warned that his city is in danger of losing its title as the world's financial capital because Britain's less onerous regulatory, legal and immigration regimes are turning London into a superior place to do business.</p>

<p>Flanked by a cross-party group of prominent New York politicians, Michael Bloomberg delivered a stark message to the White House that the big apple needs urgent help in stemming a loss of competitiveness both to London and to Asian centres such as Hong Kong and Dubai.</p>

<p>A report by the consultancy McKinsey, commissioned by the mayor, says a culture of frivolous litigation and excessive regulation is scaring financial institutions away from New York. America's tough immigration regime is another barrier, making it difficult for foreign companies to bring skilled staff. The study warns that America's biggest city could miss out on $15bn to $30bn of revenue from financial services annually by 2011 unless it reforms.</p>

<p>"Unless we take corrective steps and soon, we're going to see America's leadership in global financial transactions dwindle," Mr Bloomberg said at City Hall, adding that this would cast a "chill" over New York where one in nine people work in financial services.</p>

<p>McKinsey found that London is beating New York in job creation. Between 2002 and 2005, London's financial workforce grew by 4.3% to 318,000 while New York's declined by 0.7% to 328,400 jobs. Over the last four years, the value of the shares, bonds, loans and deposits traded in Britain has risen by 8.4%, while America has only managed a 6.5% increase and London is pulling in an increasing share of hedge funds.</p>

<p>All the signs point to an acceleration in this trend. Two-fifths of chief executives surveyed by McKinsey said they thought New York would become less attractive in the next three years, while only a fifth saw the city improving. The majority, meanwhile expects London to become more attractive. America's controversial Sarbanes- Oxley anti-fraud act is partly blamed. The law, passed in the wake of the collapse of Enron, imposed onerous accounting and reporting standards on companies listed in New York - prompting some to opt for the less arduous regime of London.</p>

<p>The report also cites Americans' habit of resorting to lawsuits: "The legal environments in other nations, including Great Britain, far more effectively discourage frivolous litigation."</p>

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<p>London: UK system.
Hong Kong: UK system</p>

<p>Big Brother 1984, I am convinced (by people on this thread) that Dartmouth would serve you well in the US, and it has a very conducive studying environment.</p>

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Big Brother 1984, I am convinced (by people on this thread) that Dartmouth would serve you well in the US, and it has a very conducive studying environment.

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<p>Now we're getting somewhere.</p>

<p>Just...no ad hominems ok?</p>

<p>Spencer11111, just out of curiosity, what spurred you to start this thread anyway?</p>

<h2>Financial Times</h2>

<p>New York's days of glory will never return
By John Gapper
Sunday Nov 26 2006 14:10</p>

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<p>I HAD the privilege last week of sitting close to Hank Paulson, the US Treasury Secretary, as he told Wall Street's great and good how he intended to restore New York to its former dominance.
Paulson started his speech to a lunch of the Economic Club of New York, as is customary, with a joke: "It's good to be in New York City, the financial capital of the world."</p>

<p>Ho-ho. Very dry. As his nervous audience knew, New York is not the world's financial capital any more than the US baseball championship deserves the title of World Series because the Toronto Blue Jays have a chance of qualifying. One of the world's leading financial centres, certainly, but not the only one.</p>

<p>Were Wall Street confident of its pre-eminence, Paulson would not have been at the podium discussing the irritations of the Sarbanes-Oxley Act and corporate lawsuits. But the rush of companies to the Alternative Investment Market in London and the fact that London and Hong Kong now host many of the world's initial public offerings have dampened spirits.</p>

<p>As Paulson spoke, bigwigs such as Tim Geithner, president of the New York Federal Reserve, and John Thain, chief executive of the New York Stock Exchange, were arrayed on the dais. From below, they resembled the disciples gazing at their saviour in Leonardo da Vinci's The Last Supper.</p>

<p>Wall Street has one of its own as Treasury Secretary in Paulson, the former chairman and chief executive of Goldman Sachs. After the eccentric Paul O'Neill and the ineffectual John Snow, his clarity and authority are a relief. He grasps the issues and their importance to New York and the US. He also has a sensible approach to making things better.</p>

<p>But I do not think Paulson is Wall Street's saviour. This is not simply because aiding millionaires and billionaires is now a low priority in Washington. Nor is it because his suggestions, such as culling regulators and switching from rules-based to principles-based accounting, are hard to implement, although they are.</p>

<p>Even if he could achieve them all, there are two reasons why the old order would not return.</p>

<p>First, the biggest foreign companies used to come to Wall Street because that was where the money was. They could tap into the US institutional and retail savings pool, and gain the attention of many New York-based hedge funds, only by obtaining a listing on the NYSE or Nasdaq.</p>

<p>This is no longer true. More money is managed in other financial centres, particularly London. In a report for the London Stock Exchange, consultancy Oxera estimated that London had $US7.6 trillion in equity assets under management last year, compared with $US8.2 trillion in the four top US centres combined, including $US3.1 trillion in New York.</p>

<p>Meanwhile, US money has flowed abroad, rather than the other way around. The weaker US dollar and expanding investment opportunities abroad led to Americans holding $US3.1 trillion in foreign equities last year, compared with $US700 billion in 1995. Industrial & Commercial Bank of China did not need to list in New York to raise $US19 billion in its recent IPO; Hong Kong had the capacity.</p>

<p>Second, the expansion of US investment banks over 20 years has exported Wall Street know-how. I remember the awe and suspicion with which US techniques such as bookbuilding were greeted in London in the mid-1990s. Even the term IPO was alien. Yet, London is now at least equal to New York in innovation, particularly in derivatives.</p>

<p>London has been able to pick the best aspects of US practice and discard others. Underwriting fees for international IPOs remain much lower in London: they average 3.5 per cent on the LSE, compared with 7 per cent on Nasdaq and 5.6 per cent on the NYSE, according to Oxera.</p>

<p>These changes have amounted to a financial Marshall Plan, bringing US capital and expertise to the rest of the world. The US has been inept at exporting democracy, but it has done a fine job of spreading capitalism.</p>

<p>"Sarbanes-Oxley has simply amplified a much broader trend," says Michael Tory, a senior investment banker at Lehman Brothers in London.</p>

<p>This has allowed companies in Asia to follow their inclination and list in Hong Kong, rather than having to trek across the world. Those from eastern Europe, Russia and the former Soviet Union have been drawn to London, while big continental European companies have listed in Paris and Frankfurt.</p>

<p>The US Government and regulators can do things to make Wall Street a more welcoming place for foreign companies. Among them are ameliorating the worst aspects of how Sarbanes-Oxley was implemented, and simplifying overseeing. The NYSE and Nasdaq might also hold investment banks to account for charging far more at home than abroad.</p>

<p>None of this will alter the fact that the world is rebalancing. Last year is often cited as a particularly bad one for Wall Street: measured by value, only one of the top 25 IPOs took place in New York. Yet, Ernst & Young's global map of total IPO activity was not obviously distorted: 27 per cent by value took place in the US, 42 per cent in Europe, the Middle East and Africa, 31 per cent in Asia.</p>

<p>Mr Paulson has the right idea about how to reform US financial markets and regulation, hard though that will be. Wall Street must do something tougher: become accustomed to its diminished place in the world.</p>

<p>ammarsfound, I started it because I don't understand why Dartmouth is so well ranked within the US but so poorly perceived internationally.</p>

<p>Also, UC Berkeley tops all the international university league tables, but fair poorly for the US ones. </p>

<p>Anyway, from what I gathered on this thread, it seems that Dartmouth really cares about its undergrads. It is operating on a completely different model from Caltech. Undergrad life at Caltech just cannot be nice.</p>