<p>If you do CS and are competent, you’ll easily find a job.</p>
<p>Although you read a lot about offshoring engineering jobs, many companies are finding that the offshoring is leading to quality degradation and eventually higher costs from time overruns and such.</p>
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<p>I wonder how many structural engineering workers Maine could support, say, if structural engineers started relocating from Florida to Maine.</p>
<p>On my last visit to Las Vegas, I saw a frighteningly large amount of unfinished construction projects. I’m sure there are lots of people who would like to see those projects completed, and new “shovel-ready” projects commenced. But there seems to be a lack of money to fund such projects, and thus, high unemployment …</p>
<p>I don’t know about being competent but I do work hard. It just takes me time to grasp the concept and I spend hours studying and mastering the topic/concept. I am aware of the fact that engineering is difficult and I am definitely aware of how jobs of engineers are. The thing is, I hear engineering projects/jobs are rarely going over 1 year, they only last about 6 months and then you look for another one. (I may be wrong about big cities).</p>
<p>I am just worried about the future. I don’t want to major in something and later on I can’t get a job.</p>
<p>I don’t think I will do biomed engineering, I don’t want to go to med school. Math and science (physics) interest me the most.</p>
<p>Does having good communication skills help in interviews or getting jobs?</p>
<p>Maybe where you went to school also matters?</p>
<p>I’m hoping, if there is this drop in available jobs for engineers (outside of the general drop in jobs overall), it is less prominent in engineers coming out of top programs</p>
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<p>The CEO of the Americas region of my company (in construction management) told us in a meeting last week that things are looking good in three areas of the U.S. that we operate in: New York City, Chicago and Washington D.C. Our office is actually re-hiring some of the people that were laid off previously. When questioned about other areas, he said their situations looked “spotty” and the economy seemed pretty poor when he met with local politicians in those areas.</p>
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It has more to do with the type of projects you’re on and your role in it. It may range from days (if you’re a consultant in some cases) to many years.</p>
<p>"CC aint college. Get ready for a wake up call.</p>
<p>You clearly never went to a CC. I bet you the guy with a 3.7 at a CC will be more successful than you. Ignorant people aren’t generally that successful."</p>
<p>Im going to go out on a limb and guess that you havent attended both a CC and a REAL college? I have, and I could not agree with the “CC aint college” statement more! General College Chem I from a CC = B+ with VERY little effort. To contrast, General College Chem II = D (mid-semester standing) with EXTREME amounts of effort dedicated to this class.</p>
<p>Thus, CC aint college.</p>
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<p>I have attended both a CC and a real college (Penn State), and I had a different experience. Perhaps your CC “aint college,” but many are. Your Chem example hardly proves anything. Chem is a weed out class at big schools, maybe you should have made more than “very little effort” in Chem I and you might be doing better in Chem II.</p>
<p>Thank you BigRev. I knew there were competent people out there who would agree with me</p>
<p>I’ve been to community college and college and my community college was much more difficult than the college(Colorado School of Mines).</p>
<p>I think most of that was that I was out in California so the classes I took were guaranteed to transfer to any state public school… so classes like Chem1 were brutal compared to my Chem2 at college. It’s pretty absurd to say just because your experience differs, that must be how it is for everyone.</p>
<p>I just got an updated Salary Survey from Electronic Design magazine: only 44% of 2011 grads have full-time engineering jobs. 31% unemployed, 25% either part time or not working in engineering. Best of luck, and God knows what we are going to do with all the unemployed engineers out there.</p>
<p>Did they happen to mention how that number compared to the number of total graduates still looking for a job?</p>
<p>I feel like unless you see the full survey it will tough to tell how accurate the data is from the numbers. Too many unknowns right now. Big one is since 2011 grads haven’t even been on the job market 6 months I think the data used may been a little premature</p>
<p>I’m going to have to agree with BigRev14.</p>
<p>I’ve taken classes at community colleges in California as well as attended a Top 10 engineering school. CC classes were jokes compared university level courses. Hell, I’ve had AP courses in high school harder than CC classes.</p>
<p>The average caliber of students at CC’s is simply much weaker than at a well respected university. Not only does classes become much more competitive, you can also learn a great deal from each other.</p>
<p>Copy and paste:</p>
<p>[infographic2011[/url</a>] - for new grad stats.</p>
<p>[url=<a href=“StackPath”>StackPath]Engineering</a> Salary Survey 2011: Faces of the Engineering Lifecycle](<a href=“StackPath”>StackPath) for the whole article.</p>
<p>The CC argument is dumb. They vary vastly. The only CC I have experience with is located very close to a top 10 engineering school that happens to be public. There is a guaranteed transfer program to that school, and anyone there who takes things like Calc 2-3, DiffEq, etc is on their way to that school. If they don’t have the GPA, they quit before they got to that point. Calc 1 is a weed out class even at the CC, and in my class 30% of the students were left by midterms. The people I know who are currently attending that school say that the classes are comparable. However, it is true that English classes and other very basic classes at that CC are a total joke. It’s almost two schools, one for inner city kids and one for engineering transfers who are there to save money, have a second chance, and even people who got liberal arts degrees from great schools who are finishing prereqs so they can get their 2nd degree in engineering. Personally, I attended a “real” school prior to joining the military and I know that they are similarly challenging. Because I was a transfer student, I had to finish the prereqs - and the best place to do that was at a CC. I know it pains many of you to imagine that kids who might not have been in all of your AP classes are getting into your top schools, but the transfers from my CC actually have average GPAs higher than the average at the top engineering school. I am guessing that that is because they are often times older, more focused, and a little insecure. The people who have the strength to go back to school when they’re a little older, the ones who don’t accept rejection from their top choice school, and the ones who aren’t too cool for a CC are often times more driven and hard-working than the kids who came in as freshmen.</p>
<p>There are absolutely dumb kids at CCs. Those kids often times enroll and are required to take 2 years of math before they can even start Calc 1. </p>
<p>You definitely cannot make generalizations about CCs.</p>
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<p>The average may be pretty low performing, but the top students at the CCs are the ones who transfer to the four year schools – especially in engineering or other majors where courses like multivariable calculus need to be taken before transfer. Some do quite well after transfer, even going on to PhD programs in the top universities in their majors after graduating with bachelor’s degrees.</p>
<p>I am at CC, so does this mean that classes like ENG 111, 112. Calculus 1, 2, 3, Calculus based physics 1, 2, Chemistry are a joke in comparison to classes taught at state universities?</p>
<p>I know English was just a pure joke. Here in my CC, english majors could not pull of As while I did nothing in class and made 95s on all my paper. </p>
<p>This is the same case in chemistry, everyone either ended with medium to low Bs while I managed to pull off a low A; but I did earn extra credit points which shot my grade up to 117%. </p>
<p>And in Calculus 1, I tried my best but in integration I slacked off because in english i was working with slackers and macro economics was adding pressure. So I managed to pull around 87%. I made a 96% in macro while my class only made 54 to 72.</p>
<p>I worked hard and stayed up all night to pull off a 3.7. (had to work harder in engineering/java programming classes)</p>
<p>But based on what’s being said about CC to university classes. Is my hard-work and determination enough to survive engineering at state university?</p>
<p>I interviewed for my first full-time position with Company X 10.5 months prior to graduating, and I accepted my full-time offer with Company Y 4 months prior to graduation. Both happened in 2011 with defense companies (whom are making major reductions in staff), at that. I also have a sub-3.5 GPA.</p>
<p>Yes, the economy isn’t good. However, with hard work and a decent GPA you shouldn’t have difficulty finding at least one job. Having relevant experience and networking prior to graduation are the two most important things to utilize.</p>
<p>I’ll add my voice to others: blanket aspersions on CCs are just ignorant. I went to a CC for my first 1.75 years, now I’m at a state flagship engineering college. And I’ve talked to a lot of people who were both at CC with me and at Big State School. The general consensus is that the quality of teaching for things like the calc series, diffy qs, linear algebra, intro physics, etc. is much much better at CC. The thing that makes “real college” calc, diffy qs, linear algebra, intro physics, etc. so much “harder” is that these classes are badly taught, often by grad students, in huge classes. You have to put more effort into it BECAUSE the teaching is so obtuse.</p>
<p>At CC I enjoyed small class sizes and professors who knew their stuff and knew how to teach it (for the most part, there was one exception), and my fellow students were no stupider than my classmates at “real college.” At CC, all of my class mates in the classes that mattered (physics, math) were going on to STEM at a four-year college anyway, not a bunch of yahoos looking for a high school after high school. My discrete math teacher showed his exams to people teaching the same class at Big State School and they all said they were appropriate. My calc iv teacher said the teachers at Big State School thought his final exams were too hard!</p>
<p>Switching to “real college” the quality of teaching hit the floor, and the easiness of the classes went up because huge class sizes virtually necessitate all exams being multiple-choice, grading being based on things like attendance and little quizzes given here and there. It wasn’t until this quarter when I started taking the intermediate Newtonian sequence teaching went back to CC-quality.</p>
<p>CC varies greatly. I have been to a CC that georgia tech guarantees transfers admissions with only a minimum GPA being met. This minimum GPA is just the minumum gpa for them to look at your application. You just need a 2.5 or 2.7 for most majors. MY short stint there my physics class was a breeze. Never involved a complex problem and my chem class tests were open book multiple choice. Very basic concepts like electrons, periodic table symbols etc. Even the more complex things were watered down.</p>