Is it a good idea to with hold race if you're Asian?

Pre-College Topics High School Life
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Why are only black people born in ghettos? Why are only Asian and White people rich? And I still make sense?</p>

<p>That is what is wrong with AA, it categorizes by race NOT social status. I have nothing wrong with AA by social status, but AA by race is just wrong. There ARE poor white/Asian people you know? And there are Rich/Preppy African Americans and Hispanics you know? </p>

<p>Using your logic, being black inherently makes you poor, and being Asian/White inherently makes you "rich and preppy." Thus AA for a certain race (blacks in this case) is inherently right.</p>

<p>That's some messed up logic. </p>

<p>And I find your last sentence, "Life's unfair people, get over it...," to be rather ironic. Considering YOU are the one advocating AA, and YOU are the one who is trying to correct the unfairness - albeit with incorrect methods.

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I said that because traditionally black people live in more economically challenged areas in the country such as ghettos and inner-city areas. However, there are specail cases where they come from a very respectable lineage so they indeed have full acess to a proper education, still the point is that we need diversity of skin color regardless, not necessarily those of different backgrounds.</p>

<p>Off your other point, sorry, Asians don't live in ghettos. The majority of Asians are immigrants so thus they come from rich and respectable families. Furthermore, Asian students have parents who hold esteemed jobs. Lets face it, there's no reason why a parent would choose to immmigrate to the US if he/she was going to work in a McDonalds right??? Also, the average pay of a immigrant worker is nearly 5 times that of a regular American citizen, for an obvious reason, only select and exceptional individuals come to the US from their respective countries with their families. I know its wrong to make generalizations, but screw that, ALL Asians are at least middle class if not above.</p>

<p>Finally, I'm not trying to assume that every white person is rich. on the contrary, I clearly stated that my example was of a white student who goes to a NE prep school, so I was only considering an extreme. However, hopefully you are understanding the gist of what I am saying.</p>

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<p>"why a parent would choose to immmigrate to the US if he/she was going to work in a McDonalds right???"</p>

<p>are you kidding me? there are sooo many immigrants who come to the US and hold jobs that may not pay so well. Many asian immigrants work as taxi drivers and as convenience store owners, they're not all middle class. They come to the US because of the American Dream, because life is ****ty back in their country, or for whatever reason. Also, you reason that most black people come from economically challenged areas. So wouldn't AA based on socio-economic status also bring diversity based on skin color?</p>

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Off your other point, sorry, Asians don't live in ghettos. The majority of Asians are immigrants so thus they come from rich and respectable families. Furthermore, Asian students have parents who hold esteemed jobs. Lets face it, there's no reason why a parent would choose to immmigrate to the US if he/she was going to work in a McDonalds right??? Also, the average pay of a immigrant worker is nearly 5 times that of a regular American citizen, for an obvious reason, only select and exceptional individuals come to the US from their respective countries with their families. I know its wrong to make generalizations, but screw that, ALL Asians are at least middle class if not above.

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<p>Sorry, but you couldn't be more wrong. First, you are mistaken about immigration. You are only referring to one kind of immigration, those who received their visas from the united states due to their technical expertise. But for every one of this kind of people, there are migrant workers and illegal immigrants who fled to this country to work at minimum wage jobs.</p>

<p>Secondly, you are wrong about the composition of the Asian population. There are immigrants, true, but there are also vast numbers of American born Asians for many generations, especially in the West where there are descendants of laborers from the 19th Century. Some of these Asian Americans live in poor ghettos and barrios like their Black and Hispanic bretheren.</p>

<p>Now read over your own post and scan over all the generalizations you made, and ask yourself, are you a bigot?</p>

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<p>Wow - that post was as offensive and racist as anything i've read about blacks.</p>

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<p>The majority of first generation Asians dont come from rich families and hold esteemed jobs when they get here. That may be true of 2nd and later generations and that's what you're probably describing. </p>

<p>Even if they held esteemed jobs in the country they emigrated from they wouldnt be able to continue working here in the same position right away. Foreign degrees dont count for much here (as my family has found out).
Just so you know, I'm not Asian.</p>

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<p>I love how those arguing for the status quo always end their argument with "life is unfair, deal with it", the implicit assumption that therefore we should not change the current policy.</p>

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<p>Just curious, why isnt the "asian" category broken down? Shouldnt it be? I mean the Indians (from India), Pakistanis and the such arent the same as the Chinese, Japanese and such. They have different backrounds. The only thing similiar is that many, not all, of them are very high up and disciplined.</p>

<p>[lol please dont mis-interpret that im saying that all brown people are all the same and that all "ese" people are the same]</p>

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<p>u can break down race indefinitely. if ur really bent on putting down Indian or Chinese or something, just mark "Other" and write that down in the blank next to it. Alternatively, u can mark "Asian" and write Chinese, or Indian in the space next to it. Sometimes, u don't have to do anything, the name basically gives it away, as lavenderdream said.</p>

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<p>What are you talking about Man on fire?</p>

<p>You obviously don't know too much about Asians or immigrants. Millions of immigrants come to America in order to find any type of job they can get. My dad came to America with fifty dollars, while my mom came with about a 100. My dad then worked the night shift at a 7-11 and a gas station, where getting robbed was routine. A lot of the customers were either drunk or high. My mom worked as a waitress, a job that required her to work on her feet all day and deal with a lot of ish. The two of them saved every dollar they got and lived off of food stamps. The only thing they spent money on was their college education. Can you guess where the lived? Contrary to your beliefs, my parents lived in the slums or ,on occasion, in their $300 car.</p>

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<p>Of course...they actually WORKED to get a better life. :-D
Good job Jps - I congradulate your parents. Good people, it sounds like.</p>

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<p>"Indians would LOVE..." </p>

<p>xindianx...Please don't presume that you speak for all Indians. Many of us probably don't agree with you.
And as for expressing to another poster that their use of the words "I" and "think" make their statement any less meaningful - remember that what you are posting is an opinion as well, and just as yours is held by others, so is theirs.</p>

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I said that because traditionally black people live in more economically challenged areas in the country such as ghettos and inner-city areas. However, there are specail cases where they come from a very respectable lineage so they indeed have full acess to a proper education, still the point is that we need diversity of skin color regardless, not necessarily those of different backgrounds.

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<p>Why do you need diversity of skin color so much? What you are implying actually goes against what civil rights activists have fought against for DECADES. Peope are NOT inherently different based on skin color. Environment is what shapes people. Tabula Rasa, the blank slate. In that case a black person born in the ghetto would be the same as a white person born in a ghetto. There is no other reason for AA. </p>

<p>What is the difference between a white kid with a million bucks and a black kid with a million bucks? What about a white kid with a milllion bucks and a white kid whose parents make minimum wage? There is a much bigger difference between the latter 2. The whole point of AA is to bring in diversity, of backgrounds. Its made to help lower class people, but it is inherently flawed. </p>

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Off your other point, sorry, Asians don't live in ghettos. The majority of Asians are immigrants so thus they come from rich and respectable families. Furthermore, Asian students have parents who hold esteemed jobs. Lets face it, there's no reason why a parent would choose to immmigrate to the US if he/she was going to work in a McDonalds right??? Also, the average pay of a immigrant worker is nearly 5 times that of a regular American citizen, for an obvious reason, only select and exceptional individuals come to the US from their respective countries with their families. I know its wrong to make generalizations, but screw that, ALL Asians are at least middle class if not above.

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<p>I find your racist generalizations to be highly offensive. My family has been through much of what you are describing. My parents originally came here on scholarships and student visas. BOTH of my parents had to work long hours WHILE getting their Masters/PHDs, it took them serveral years of this, imagine working 13 hours a day, and then going back home to work on your PHD. I'm pretty sure they weren't rich back then, otherwise they could have worked a bit less? </p>

<p>The average income of a immigrant worker is 5x that of a citizen? Where did you get that from? The Vietnamese boat people who come here with little more than the clothes on their backs and a small dingy boat DEFINITELY do NOT make more than the average citizen right when they get here, they work their butts off, and they raise their standard of living with sweat and toil, not by some corrupted system.</p>

<p>You are so ignorant on this issue. Asian immigrants come here because they can make enough money to survive off here. Also, the work environment is not so cut throat over here. If they do happen to get successful, its because of their hard work.</p>

<p>Just an example I ran into a few days ago. I run a software company and freelance out some of my work, a few days ago I had an offer from a programmer in India, he was willing to do Java work for $6/hour. I've had numerous offers from numerous Asian freelancers who were willing to work for that price, or even less. That's almost below minimum wage. For those of you not familiar with the industry, in the USA, the pay is sometimes $50/hour or more for a Java developer.</p>

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Finally, I'm not trying to assume that every white person is rich. on the contrary, I clearly stated that my example was of a white student who goes to a NE prep school, so I was only considering an extreme. However, hopefully you are understanding the gist of what I am saying.

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<p>I get the gist of exactly what you're saying. You're saying that even though not all blacks are disadvantaged, they should still get an inherent boost in the college admissions system. And even though not all whites are rich, they should still be given a handicap in the admissions system.</p>

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I find your racist generalizations to be highly offensive. My family has been through much of what you are describing. My parents originally came here on scholarships and student visas. BOTH of my parents had to work long hours WHILE getting their Masters/PHDs, it took them serveral years of this, imagine working 13 hours a day, and then going back home to work on your PHD. I'm pretty sure they weren't rich back then, otherwise they could have worked a bit less? </p>

<p>The average income of a immigrant worker is 5x that of a citizen? Where did you get that from? The Vietnamese boat people who come here with little more than the clothes on their backs and a small dingy boat DEFINITELY do NOT make more than the average citizen right when they get here, they work their butts off, and they raise their standard of living with sweat and toil, not by some corrupted system.</p>

<p>You are so ignorant on this issue. Asian immigrants come here because they can make enough money to survive off here. Also, the work environment is not so cut throat over here. If they do happen to get successful, its because of their hard work.</p>

<p>Just an example I ran into a few days ago. I run a software company and freelance out some of my work, a few days ago I had an offer from a programmer in India, he was willing to do Java work for $6/hour. I've had numerous offers from numerous Asian freelancers who were willing to work for that price, or even less. That's almost below minimum wage. For those of you not familiar with the industry, in the USA, the pay is sometimes $50/hour or more for a Java developer.I get the gist of exactly what you're saying. You're saying that even though not all blacks are disadvantaged, they should still get an inherent boost in the college admissions system. And even though not all whites are rich, they should still be given a handicap in the admissions system.

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You obviously don't know anything about how Affirmative Action works. Its purpose is to bring diversity of different races and ehniciities to colleges. I really don't think the issue of whether someone is poor or not as anything to do with it. If you're poor, you should obvioulsy get specail treatment by the adcoms nevertheless. The average household income of an Asian family in the US is $100,000 while that of an average US citizen is about 20 grand according to the Census Bureau so my fact stands. Just because your family came from a farm and were poor as dirt, that doesn't mean the majority of IMMIGRANTS are. I don't care about generations of Asian people that were grounded into this society, I am talking about new immigrants.</p>

<p>Also, sorry, only Mexicans come into this country ilegally, not Asians. In fact, if you don't beleive me, then I will call one of the Mexican workers that islaboring away in my basement to come up and respond to your comment.</p>

<p>Furthermore, I don't think you are intelligent enough to run a software company at your age. Whats your GPA?? A 2.0??? SAT score??? 1900??? Go wallow in self-pity loser. You are a slur to the Asian race.</p>

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I get the gist of exactly what you're saying. You're saying that even though not all blacks are disadvantaged, they should still get an inherent boost in the college admissions system. And even though not all whites are rich, they should still be given a handicap in the admissions system.

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THats exactly what I'm saying. Holla to my homies in black!!!</p>

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You obviously don't know anything about how Affirmative Action works. Its purpose is to bring diversity of different races and ehniciities to colleges. I really don't think the issue of whether someone is poor or not as anything to do with it. If you're poor, you should obvioulsy get specail treatment by the adcoms nevertheless. The average household income of an Asian family in the US is $100,000 while that of an average US citizen is about 20 grand according to the Census Bureau so my fact stands. Just because your family came from a farm and were poor as dirt, that doesn't mean the majority of IMMIGRANTS are. I don't care about generations of Asian people that were grounded into this society, I am talking about new immigrants.

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I DO know how affirmative action works. I said that if people were truly interested in helping the less fortunate, they would help them regardless of race or skin color. And just a note, my parents were poor, but they were not farmers, another one of your presumptuous ideas.</p>

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Also, sorry, only Mexicans come into this country ilegally, not Asians.

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<p>Your blatant racism is really getting on my nerves.</p>

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In fact, if you don't beleive me, then I will call one of the Mexican workers that islaboring away in my basement to come up and respond to your comment.

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See above.</p>

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Furthermore, I don't think you are intelligent enough to run a software company at your age. Whats your GPA?? A 2.0??? SAT score??? 1900???

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If you are going to attack my intelligence at least do so correctly. GPA and SAT scores are not always proper indicators of intelligence, effort perhaps, but not intelligence. Anyways, it doesn't take a genius to run a software company, I'm sure even you might be able to do it. </p>

<p>That being said, my unweighted GPA is currently 3.8, and I just took the June SATs, I expect them to be in the 2200 range according to practice tests. Yes, I know, I must be retarded. A 2200 and 3.8, please excuse me, I think I'm going to go wallow in self pity now.</p>

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Go wallow in self-pity loser.

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Says the kid who is advocating for AA. I love reading your posts, they're so full of irony lol.</p>

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You are a slur to the Asian race.

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Says the guy who isn't even Asian. Wow, am I seeing a trend here?</p>

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I get the gist of exactly what you're saying. You're saying that even though not all blacks are disadvantaged, they should still get an inherent boost in the college admissions system. And even though not all whites are rich, they should still be given a handicap in the admissions system.</p>

<p>THats exactly what I'm saying. Holla to my homies in black!!!

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That above, and you're blatant racism undermines any real points you had - not that you really ever had any. The whole concept behind AA was to give less fortunate people a chance. Since according to you, thats not the real motive behind it, I don't see any use for it, other than to make things harder for more qualified applicants.</p>

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<p>Man on fire, you know nothing. From a point of view of someone who is caucasian, I have a lot of respect for the Asian immigrants. Sentient89 is right, not all of them did come in legally. I know plenty who work long hours at Chinese restaurants in order to pay for their education. The difference between Chinese immigrants, and others, is the Asians generally work hard and put a strong emphasis on education. I have many Asian friends whose parents work very hard to pay for their education. Because of hard work, they should not be penalized for overcoming obstacles. Maybe the other minorities need to learn from them and do some of the same. It is very racist to say all if you are Asian or white, you must be upper middle class at least. That is certainly not the case. I tutor homeless children, and not all of them are black or hispanic. If you want to argue the country needs economic diversity, that is a different issue, but as AA stands right now, it goes by skin color. Why should a minority person with 10 million dollars have an advantage over a white or Asian person on welfare?</p>

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<p>Asian! Woot!</p>

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<p>Perhaps because many of the Asians in the college admissions processes have absolutely nothing to do with the immigrants from 150 years ago and are really the children of first generation immigrants that become engineers, doctors, or other high-level careers?</p>

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<p>"but screw that, ALL Asians are at least middle class if not above."</p>

<p>Possibly the stupidest statement I've heard in the last week.</p>

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<p>By the way, I love how whenever I tell people how hard my parents had to work to get to where they are right now, I get the "Go wallow in self-pity loser," or the old cliche, "Life isn't fair!" </p>

<p>Coming from people who are advocating AA, isn't that rather ironic and contradictive?</p>

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<p>god. end this thread now. its like a mix between bigotry and whining. LIFE IS LIFE...and ever heard the saying "life isn't always fair." </p>

<p>I heard some people talk about how their parents came to america and WORKED HARD to make a better life for themselves and well guess what YOU SHOULD WORK HARD and try to distinguish yourself from other asians if you are asian to try and get into a college. It's that simple.
Now go say thank you to your parents for making you whoever you are, because seriously you should be proud of your ethnicity and the fact that you live in the U.S.</p>

<p>U.S. = diverse and thus U.S. colleges have the RIGHT to be diverse.</p>