<p>I am officially going to University of Michigan! I was just wondering whether its easier to get into their medical grad school if you go to Umich as an undergrad...?</p>
<p>I heard that they are generally more leniant on in state applicants, so I'm assuming that they would be even more lenient on their own students.</p>
<p>ive actually heard that they are harder on their own students as they want a more "diverse" class (they want more kids from other pre-med programs). thats just what ive heard from several people, both from my school and from umich, but im about 85% sure its true.</p>
<p>The rumor is that they are harder on us, but that doesn't stop a lot of people from getting in.</p>
<p>Something about academic inbreeding is what I've heard. Dunno how true that is.</p>
<p>Why are they so easy on their in state undergrads then? So is it hard to get into U of M's graduate school if you went there for undergrad?</p>
<p>Michigan is so easy on its own state's undergrads? I'm not sure what that means. Can you please clarify that remark a little bit for me? Thanks.</p>
<p>Maybe I'm wrong. I just figured that they must be considering that me and one of my friends got accepted early action and there are a whole bunch of people on the threads still waiting for decisions. I guess I don't really have a good reason for thinking that they go easy on the in state kids.</p>
<p>it is actually a mark AGAINST you if you attend the university of michigan--ann arbor for your undergrad. I know that this is true for a fact. Michigan wants it's undergrad students to be diversified and they also want their med school to be diversified, therefore they feel that the majority of their undergrads should attend another university. I have heard this from several teachers and students there. they tell you that first thing off the bat as a freshman in their undergrad, according to one of my teachers.</p>
<p>I guess I'm just going to have to go to MIT for grad school, then.</p>
<p>sorry i was referring to med school, i am not sure about grad school in general.</p>
<p>Actually, it is a myth that attending Michigan will hurt your chances of getting into Michigan medical school. I am not saying that is is necessarily wrong, but the numbers do not support that theory whatsover. In fact, the numbers would suggest the opposite. That Michigan medical actually FAVORS Michigan undergrads. Consider the following:</p>
<p>1) Generally speaking, anywhere from 25% to 30% of Michigan medical school's entering class is made up of University of Michigan students. That's a huge number. </p>
<p>2) Annually, at total of roughly 500 Michigan students apply to Medical school. I am not sure how many of those applied to Michigan medical school and how many are admitted, but I do know that annually, anywhere from 40-50 Michigan students enrolled into Michigan medical school. So, assuming that 100% of Michigan undergrads applying to medical school applied to Michigan medical, and assuming that 100% of those that admitted to Michigan medical school decided to enroll, Michigan undergrads' acceptance rate into Michigan medical is 8%-10%, which is already higher than its overall aceptance rate of 6%-8%. </p>
<p>However, I think it is safe to assume that only a portion of Michigan students who apply to Medical school will apply to Michigan medical. Perhaps 60% or 70%. And it is also safe to assume that fewer than 100% of those that are admitted will chose to enroll. Again, probably 60% or 70%. All in all on average, I would estimate that roughly 300-400 Michigan students apply to Michigan medical each year and of those, I would estimate that 50-80 are admitted. That's a 12.5%-25% acceptance rate. I think 12.5% is probably on the lower end and 25% probably higher than the typical acceptance rate of Michigan students into Michigan medical. If my numbers are correct, I think roughly 15%-20% of Michigan students who apply to Michigan medical are admitted, which is significantly higher than the overall admission rate into Michigan medical, which generally hovers between 6%-8%.</p>
<p>I think the myth that Michigan is hard on its own originates from students at Michigan who are turned down by Michigan medical.</p>
<p>yeah, that seems like it would be true as well--->"I think the myth that Michigan is hard on its own originates from students at Michigan who are turned down by Michigan medical."</p>
<p>wow, thanks for the overwhelming responses, but do they really tell you...
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<p>I have never heard it from professors, just students. It's like the "why we have no snow day but every other university in Michigan does" reasoning, only got answers from students, not professors.</p>
<p>At least that's how it is for me.</p>
<p>About 22%-25% of the class graduated from U-M (38-51 out of a class of 170-177). Harvard is next with 8-10. Target is around 45% in-state.
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<p>well i have a teacher who worked at michigan's medical school and knew several people w/ in michigan and several michigan students and she also said that it is a mark against you if you went to michigan for undergrad.
and i also had another teacher whose son went to michigan and according to the this teacher whose son was pre-med said that they told him his freshman year that it was harder to get into michigan's medical school if you went there for undergrad. . Im not sure how true this is but this is what she told me.
I heard that students accepted from michigan's udnergrad into their grad are the top top students from michigan's undergrad.
I also would guess that it is harder to get into michigan's med school is because there are soooooooooooooo many people applying. so 22-25% acceptance from the several that applied is a small amount and then people would begin to speculate that they dont take students from their own undergrad.</p>
<p>Caramelgirl, I am pretty sure those people don't know what they are saying. Perhaps in their mind, it is an entitlement for a Michigan student to get into Michigan medical school, but when the admissions rate for UM students applying to the medical school far exceeds the overall medical school acceptance rate, I think that it is safe to say that Michigan in fact prefers its own. Last year, 51 UM students enrolled into Michigan Medical. Assuming the Medical school has a 60%-75% yield, that means that anywhere from 70-85 UM students were admitted into Michigan medical. Altogether, only 600 Michigan students applied to Medical school last year, and it is safe to assume that many of those did not apply to Michigan Medical. I would assume again, that a liberal estimate would place the percentage of UM students applying to Michigan medical at 60%-75%. In other words, 400-450 UM students applied to Michigan medical. In other words, anywhere from 16%-21% of UM students who applied to Michigan medical were admitted. The overall acceptance rate into Michigan medical was 7% last year. There is a siginifcant difference between 7% and 17% admition. At the very worst case, Michigan does not really care where one completes their undergraduate studies.</p>
<p>This said, Michigan is definitely tough for premeds. Most top universities are. You aren't going to see students at Cal, Chicago, Columbia, Cornell, Johns Hopkins, MIT, Penn etc... say that pre-med is a walk in the park either. Michigan has a couple of landmines in store for premeds, and that's just the nature of the beast. But that does not mean the Medical school discriminates against its own.</p>
<p>I am sure a lot of UM applicants who are turned down by the Medical school (as well as their close relatives, parents and friends) start spreading rumors about how Michigan medical discriminates against its own, but the stats clearly don't support that. Sounds like sour grapes on the part of applicants turned down by the UM Medical school to me.</p>
<p>Ah yes, I'm looking forward to Biochem in the Winter... oh U-M Pre Meds...</p>
<p>Cvjn, I am sure if you ask premeds at Caltech, Columbia, Cornell, Johns Hopkins, MIT etc... about Biochem or Orgo, they would all tell you nightmare stories. Premed just isn't easy...and nor should it be. I am sure you agree that we all want our cutters to have a good head on their shoulders!</p>
<p>I have, it's actually oddly fun to trade horror stories. We all have a good chuckle about the a 40% P Chem and then we die a little bit on the inside...</p>
<p>I guess it makes us that much more determined :)</p>