I will be an out of state applicant who can pay full tuition. Does this increase or decrease my chances of being accepted? I’ve heard it’s harder to get in if I’m OOS but being full pay is helpful. Is this accurate?
Everyone from out of state is full pay
OOS admission is tougher than In state for UCs
At UCLA OOS has a 28% admissions rate, in-state is 17%. So easier to get in as OOS.
Easier for OOS. Trust me, Californians are not happy, it’s the only state that does this. It’s good for you, though
Easier admissions OOS for UC.
OOS has a higher admission rate but the stats required for an acceptance are also higher.
OOS is plenty easier, it’s a guaranteed 36k/yr tuition for the school, not counting room & board. Who said money doesn’t matter?
$55K per year but your stats have to be higher and better.
And, everyone from OOS is not a guaranteed shoo-in. Quantitatively, more instate applicants apply so it looks as though less CA residents get in.
Anomander, that is true only if the credential for those in state and OOS are the same. They probably are not. I"d guess only relatively strong students would apply from OOS.
For in-state students, it’s pretty easy to check the UCLA box and pay the fee if you are already applying to UCI, UCD, UCSC and think “Oh heck, you never know.” OOS applicants are filling out a separate application and are mostly only looking at the upper-tier UCs, so they may generally be more qualified than the overall California pool that applies to the UCs.
Also, I haven’t checked, but I would expect that the yield for in-state UCLA applicants is higher than the yield for OOS applicants. That is, if an in-state applicant gets into UCLA, UCSB, and UCSD but not Berkeley, there’s a pretty good chance that they will go to UCLA. If an OOS applicant gets into UCLA, UMich, and some others and then compares prices, UCLA isn’t as likely to be their final answer. Just judging by CC, a lot of OOS students are unaware of the financial realities for them at UCLA. Many of the ones that don’t ask on CC get an unpleasant surprise after admission.
“Anomander, that is true only if the credential for those in state and OOS are the same. They probably are not. I"d guess only relatively strong students would apply from OOS.”
Probably true but only a factor if a kid was in state and decided to apply as OOS to better his odds. Otherwise each group (instate and OOS) is self-selecting anyway.
It’s also possible that affluent families of not-outstanding OOS kids might apply since they could easily afford the tuition if UCLA is their kid’s “dream school”.
Out of state is much harder since they limit the number that they can admit to a certain percentage. Each UC is a bit different, but it is usually around 15%. Also, the stats are higher to even be considered - a 3.4 GPA vs a 3.0. Finally, the UCs consider CA high school students as taking Honors level classes and give them more weight, but do NOT count any OOS classes as honors except AP and IB. The deck is stacked against OOS applicants. And I think the cap actually includes int’l, so it is even harder than it seems. GL!
^^^^^Exactly^^^^^
But, we in California appreciate your $55,000 per year you are willing to give our state.
After your parents pay for one year of college expenses and transportation costs, they typically ask you to find a way to get instate tuition. California living is very expensive. That won’t happen with an OOS high school transcript. The UCs are stingy for OOS students.