<p>Does the study compare the statistics of average white applicants who are not athletes nor the children of a celebrity, legacy, business leader, national politician or financial donor? Is it possible that whites tend to belong to these classes at a higher rate than Asian applicants, thus the discrepancy? So, what are the differences in statistics (SAT & GPA) between white and Asian applicants who are trying to get in on purely academics? Do we have such a study?</p>
<p>Dear stat geniuses: The Higgs Boson was confirmed with a Sigma 5 confidence level. The point is that a sigma 5 is as close to a 100% as one can likely get. Epenshade is light years from a Sigma 5, and when you bandy about his theories like they are stone hard cold facts, you should understand that they are not. BTW I come from a strong quant background. Stats are second nature to me.</p>
<p>Dear OP:</p>
<p>Your post - Is it harder for Asians to get into college?</p>
<p>The answer is resoundingly no. The playing field is pretty level. The difficulty is when Asians only concentrate on a few select Universities. The playing field is still level but the flood of applications will make the selection process difficult. Understand that at the Elite level everyone has basically the same stats so its not a stat thing. Since everyone has the same stats, the university will look for diversity in race and geographical location. The ultimate fairness is that any race who choses to flood a few select universities will be met with the same difficulty. I encourage you to apply away and GL.</p>
<p>I don’t believe so.</p>
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<p>So do you think all the Asian high school students should get together and establish limits on who gets to apply to what USNWR top 50/25/10/Ivy League college?</p>
<p>Another interesting article on this subject:
[gladwell</a> dot com - getting in](<a href=“Malcolm Gladwell – Home | Malcolm Gladwell”>Malcolm Gladwell – Home | Malcolm Gladwell)</p>
<p>“So do you think all the Asian high school students should get together and establish limits on who gets to apply to what USNWR top 50/25/10/Ivy League college?”</p>
<p>that’s not the logical remedy to soso’s comment which was an attempt to answer the OP’s question</p>
<p>It’s laughable that someone who claims to have strong stats background doesn’t understand population in the context of stats. Time to hit the books instead of wasting time on CC?</p>
<p>@oldmom4896, i read gladwell’s original piece on New Yorker a few years back. what a piece of garbage! “If Harvard had too many Asians, it wouldn’t be Harvard, just as Harvard wouldn’t be Harvard with too many Jews or pansies or parlor pinks or shy types or short people with big ears.” </p>
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<li><p>it’s rather disappointing to hear gladwell, who is a minority and wrote eloquently about how racism affects our judgment in his book “blink”, say that too many Asians would diluted Harvard’s brand. i wonder if anyone thinks too many Blacks would dilute NBA’s brand or too many Hispanics would dilute MLB’s brand. </p></li>
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<p>again, we live in a funny world…</p>
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<p>No what’s sad is that you don’t understand a one sigma confidence level Vs 5 sigma, a factor that’s directly related to the sampled population.</p>
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<p>Perhaps he believed that it was true, which does not mean that he would have agreed with a policy of limiting Asian students there.</p>
<p>HYP long had to balance the need to keep donations coming from wealthy alumni and the need to find the most academically elite students to keep their academic elite reputation high. Historically, the former need meant strong preferences for SES-elite prep schools (that were not then academically elite); these days, it tends to mean legacy and developmental admit preferences.</p>
<p>Of course, it is widely suspected that they want to avoid becoming “too Asian” because that would harm their brand among their donors (who tend to be whiter than the general population). Whether that is true or not gets debated all the time.</p>
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<p>Merit in the professional sports arena is much easier to measure and compare than for selecting a few of the large number of high school students applying with 4.0 HS GPAs and 2300+ SAT scores.</p>
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<p>It should be self regulating logic. I think the whole chase for prestige is making a lot of people illogical. BTW Asians are benefitting from such self regulating logic. If all races started chasing the Ivies at 2-3Xtimes the current amount . Then Asian acceptance rates would plummet. Things could be a lot worse.</p>
<p>“No what’s sad is that you don’t understand a one sigma confidence level Vs 5 sigma, a factor that’s directly related to the sampled population.” </p>
<p>don’t make me laugh again…</p>
<p>@ucbalumnus, if Harvard still cares money, then God help us. with over $30B endowment, still feel pretty poor. must be. no wonder the wealthiest 1% still asking for tax cut. </p>
<p>agree merits in sports are easy to measure. but do sports leagues need diversity? that’s my question.</p>
<p>Pirate Dad: I am willing to listen. I’ve given you my opinion. Now in your own words tell me why it’s 3Xtimes harder (Allegedly). You have the floor. GL</p>
<p>@sosomenza, first of all, that pirate guy is a different person. don’t get confused as you did in the stats class. secondly, your explanation of population ratio only shows you don’t understand what Espenshade was talking about, which is the statistical population where given equally qualified White and Asian students White is 3 times more likely to be accepted than Asian.</p>
<p>“If all races started chasing the Ivies at 2-3Xtimes the current amount . Then Asian acceptance rates would plummet. Things could be a lot worse.”</p>
<p>of course, with a little bit help from the “holistic” approach…it will make a big difference.</p>
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<p>Read more [What</a> if the NBA had quotas?](<a href=“http://www.wnd.com/2006/12/39293/]What”>What if the NBA had quotas?)</p>
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<p>I don’t know how much simpler and clearer the results of study could be. The results of the study is what is indicating that it is 3x times harder for an asian compared to a white student with same academic record. </p>
<p>“No what’s sad is that you don’t understand a one sigma confidence level Vs 5 sigma, a factor that’s directly related to the sampled population.” </p>
<p>What do you do exactly thats related to statistics ? This quote indicates even more to me that you have a poor grasp of statistics.</p>
<p>TigerDad: You’re explaining the conclusion of probability theory. Please, if you know, explain the facts and assumptions that generated Epenshade’s statistical theory (conclusion). I.E. What exactly is making it harder and why? (allegedly) Do you know? Apparently not.</p>