<p>Compared to the other schools in U of M, is it harder easier or equally difficult to get into LSA?</p>
<p>easier than business or engineering, about on par with most others.</p>
<p>^i think what he/she said</p>
<p>Each school has different admissions criteria so you are comparing apples and oranges. Businesss and public policy would be harder because those schools you transfer into after a year or two.</p>
<p>In terms of difficulty, LSA and Engineering are the two toughest colleges. Ross does not count because most students in the program transfer into it after their first year at Michigan.</p>
<p>Engineering is not harder to get into than LSA, it simply looks at different criteria. The CoE traditionally accepts over 55% of applicants, but will look for very strong grades in Mathematics and Physics while LSA accepts under 45% of applicants and is more unpredictible. I have seen many applicants to LSA get rejected by Michigan but get into smaller private peer schools such as Cornell and Northwestern. I have no seen that happen with applicants to the CoE.</p>
<p>In other words, for marginal students, LSA is a better bet, albeit still a reach, but for excellent students, I think the CoE is actually a more predictible option.</p>
<p>^ Alexandre, what does Michigan think of B+s in an honors math course? Would one or two marking period grades such as this be considered “weak?”</p>
<p>(for CoE, that is) </p>
<p>And if you have one of these grades but you demonstrate your aptitude for the subject via the SAT/ACT/SAT subject tests, could that compensate?</p>
<p>A B+ in high school math could be a problem for CoE applicants. Will you be taking AP Calculus next year? It may be safer to apply to the college of LSA and transfer into the CoE once at Michigan.</p>
<p>Uh ohh. That worries me. Including freshman and sophomore year math grades, my average is probably about that (although, junior year [this year] I’ve gotten all As all trimesters for Honors Precalc and Physics!)</p>
<p>I’m taking AP Calculus BC, AP Physics C, and AP Chemistry next year. I’m striving for all As (although I think I’m applying early anyway).</p>
<p>But my SAT Math scores are nearly perfect! Does that prove to them I know what I’m doing and I ultimately learned the material?</p>
<p>I should mention, too, that I’m a girl, I’m in-state, and I have relatives (although not parents) who attended. Also, I think my Physics teacher will be writing my rec letter, and I currently participate in Robotics.</p>
<p>If you can get 5’s in AP Calc BC, AP Chem and AP Physics you’ll be very far ahead of everyone in CoE</p>
<p>If it comes down to AP Chem or AP Physics, after what I’ve taken here, I’d much rather test out of Chem and skip the lab. </p>
<p>Also are yoou taking Mechanics and E&M next year? Also are you the only girl in your Physics class? Just wondering cuz my class only had 1 and she dropped it half way through, along with a few other guys.</p>
<p>An almost perfect math score on the SAT or ACT would help, but I don’t see how it would show you know Calc or anything. The math on those tests is like Trig at most</p>
<p>and remember, you are a chick applying for CoE. I think they’ll let a B+ average slide. Its worth it for the “diversity”</p>
<p>Ahhh thank you thank you thank you! (not just for telling me what I want to hear, but for responding hahah I’m freaking out here) I got a 760 on the math section of the SAT (first try), and 35 ACT math. I’m taking the math II subject test saturday and I’m gettin that 800. So you don’t think the unstellar math grades will be detrimental to my application??</p>
<p>Oh and nope, I definitely won’t be the only girl. Physics C, so yeah Mechanics and E&M. My (honors as well as AP) physics teacher loves me. Yeah and i’m in robotics, that’s captivating right?</p>
<p>I’m going to die if I don’t get into Michigan. </p>
<p>And isn’t most HS math trig/basic calc? I’ll be taking the Math IIC SAT subject test Saturday, which one is supposed to take after an honors precalc course (which I got As in both terms).</p>
<p>I can’t speak for the subject tests. I didn’t even know what they were and by the time I found out it was too late, so I had to cross out a lot of schools that required them. (Applied to one not knowing I needed them… waste of money). My school did a ****ty job helping out the “advanced” student. Luckily Michigan is where I wanted to be and they didn’t need them.</p>
<p>But the math on the SAT/ACT is a joke, I don’t think doing well on the will make up if you do not do well in Pre-Calc or Calc.</p>
<p>The crazy thing was my school is about 2800 kids and only one girl was in AP Physics. She was attractive so it was ok though…</p>
<p>Again, I would be really suprised if you didn’t get in. It seems like your grades are pretty good as is, maybe like a match or something. But the IS and female in CoE helps you out A LOT</p>
<p>no no no it’s not precalc/calc I’m not getting As in! it was honors geometry/algebra 2 (which is EXACTLY what ACT/SAT tests). if I’m getting everything right on the math sections, I must’ve learned something right?
plus, my HS is one of the top in MI (I’m sure UofM recognizes it as such), and I was in honors courses. I feel like this year was the year I really figured out what I wanted to go into, hence the subpar math grades beforehand.
and i’m a junior, so I actually take the AP Calc class next year (which is the norm for advanced-math kids)</p>
<p>liv4physicz, you did not mention anywhere in your posts above that you had received all As in all other mathematics and science courses or that you had nearly perfect score on the ACT/SAT mathematics sections. Those are sort of important details don’t you think? All you said is that you had a B+ in honors mathematics and that you showed quantitative “aptitude” in stadardized tests (which could mean anything above a 650 on the SAT and/or a 30 on the ACT). </p>
<p>In the future, remember that (1) humility gets you nowhere and that (2) the better the input (in thise case, information you share about your accomplishments), the better the output (in this case, the recommended approach to applying to Michigan). As the saying goes, “garbage in, garbage out!” </p>
<p>At any rate, given your solid accomplishments, you should apply to the CoE. They are more predictible and you qualify. Being female also helps a little, though not as much as people think.</p>
<p>^i don’t know man… I mean, I’ve only gone through 1 year but in my personal experience, being female seems to help more than you’d think.</p>
<p>She’s taking AP classes, took a lot of honors, is only taking AP Calc this year, pretty much all the “norm” for kids applying to the CoE. I think being IS, being at a highly ranked high school (i don’t even know how they rank these schools but if Umich cares then I guess it matters) and is a female applying into a male dominated field. I think those help her out a lot and she probably gets in. Get a really good SAT or ACT score and then its almost a sure thing</p>
<p>As an example, she is like the female version of the MITOMG guy that made an automatic checking system. He didn’t get in. But if he was IS and female I feel he would have.</p>
<p>My GPA isn’t perfect. While I got As (the highest grade my school gives [they don give A+s]) this year in both terms of Honors Precalc and Physics, last year I got an A- first term of Honors Algebra 2 and then a B+. Freshman year is kin of embarrassing…a C and a B- (Honors Geometry). </p>
<p>But, since U of M used to not even count freshman year, do you think this will even make a huge impact? My overall unweighted GPA with freshman year is a 3.7, but, without, it’s a 3.9 (i.e., my grades are almost all As with only a few exceptions of B+s during sophomore and junior years). </p>
<p>Also, seeing as I got good grades in the higher levels of math (that obviously apply what earlier levels of math taught), do you think that it proves I learned the material (I’m mainly concerned about the freshman Honors Geometry grades)? Plus, I mean, a lot of what the SAT/ACT covers is Geometry. Do you think they’ll be forgiving in this respect?</p>
<p>And, what about grades in Honors Biology? If I took that during freshman year as well and got similar grades to Honors Geometry, will that be very impactful? (Although that’s not really the specific field I want to go into, it is science.) Freshman year, clearly, was not a good year for me, and these two classes were my worst grades ever in high school.</p>
<p>^ Will they buy some sort of story that I was going through family issues frosh year, and that’s what contributed to my grades being so low? Just how much emphasis are placed on freshman grades?</p>
<p>livrphysicz, you are practically in at Michigan. The CoE seldom rejects students with your grades and scores. Apply EA to Michigan, and then forward applications to MIT, Princeton and Stanford to see how well you do with those three schools. You can also apply to peer institutions such as Cornell and Northwestern, but honestly, for Engineering, Michigan is a better option.</p>