<p>Breeze, Did you find any of my Yale attacks yet? You made the claim and were challenged, remember?
Also, while your at it, please find where I stated I attended Princeton?
Substance over form Breeze, substance over form.</p>
<p>P.S. Did you like the princeton #s? lol</p>
<p>alphacdcd, where did I make the claim that you attacked Yale? Why would I care if you did? Also, are you on narcotics of any kind? And what Princeton #'s do you wish for me to discuss?</p>
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Also, while your at it, please find where I stated I attended Princeton?
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You're still spelling you're the Princeton way. Luckily, Princeton is in New Jersey.</p>
<p>Beeze, didn't the moderators put an end to your bickering in the Rice threads?
Were you not told "enough is enough" there? Is this your MO?
Why have you brought your act here?</p>
<p>Your first statement is utter nonsense - two of the authors were PROFESSORS from harvard, one from penn and one from BU. Your insinuation that the study was propaganda by harvard "employees is ignorant and belies your inexperience in real academia (i.e. post high school). You present absolutely nothing convincing (and there are problems with the NBER study) to discount the study - your statement "tainted" has no argument behind it. This is not a study for guidance counselors nor should it be used for your choice in colleges - as it has no relation to the qualities of an institution beside perceived preference/prestige/ by high school students. You are so offended by it because it ranks your beloved princeton so low, not because it is "tainted" as you claim without reason. </p>
<p>Your second claim that now Princeton will be number 1 in selectivity is also wrong. You are right, you can't look at the raw numbers. But you also can't only look at the applications/seat ratio either. What you can use is the quality of the student who do decide to matriculate - isn't that result of selectivity? FYI, 10% of USNews is admission rate (and Yale and Princeton will likely have almost and identical one this year), 50% is SAT scores, and 40% is %student that were top10%. </p>
<p>From the increase in application numbers, I am sure Princeton will suffer more from bad applications (as it switched to the common app) as well as greater overlap with schools it loses to head to head (harvard and yale). The result will probably be a decrease in the matriculation rate if Princeton doesn't resort to its old tactics which were documented in the report your hate so dearly. </p>
<p>And if you are so hung up on raw numbers, then the likely RD admission rate for princeton is 7.9%, while at yale its 6.9%. This was calculated on the Princeton and Yale boards respectively.</p>
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Breeze, Did you find any of my Yale attacks yet? You made the claim and were challenged, remember?
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alphacdcd, where did I make the claim that you attacked Yale? Your silence is deafening.</p>
<p>Crimson, I am happy to meet a man who has figured out what the staffs at U.S. News, the Princeton Review, The Prowl'r College Guide, and the Consus Group could not. They all ranked Princeton as the #1 non technical school in the country. Although, they all used multiple criteria, they all reached the same result. But you want me to cast those research staffs aside and put my faith in a biased (by definition) report OR are yoiu telling me that you have figured it all out yourself?</p>
<p>P.S. At least try the math yourself. Your 7.9 Princeton figure comes from a Byerly post at Princeton. Oh, and like your Harvard employees, who wrote the NBER report, I am sure we can trust his motives to because after all he is also affiliated with H.</p>
<p>Good luck in the real world my friend.</p>
<p>As a graduate of both harvard and yale, I can assuredly say that Breeze, you were right: alphacdcd doesn't have the brain power. He is a paranoid sycophant of Princeton, drooling all over the yale, harvard, and princeton boards. Anyting negative about Princeton is a tainted plot against Princeton by those jealous of its selectivity ranking, or so the voices in his head tell him. If this dreg actually attends Princeton, it will change my otherwise esteemed view of that great institution.</p>
<p>if you can't attack the substance, try spin!</p>
<p>Good luck with Breeze, you obviously deserve each (both blinded by the obvious)</p>
<p>there was no substance to attack - you were confusing a preference study with selectivity, the latter of which is not bolstered by Princeton's return to its former application numbers.</p>
<p>alphacdcd, Pton is a great school. It's so up there, if you can go there you are priviliged beyond belief. Who cares about comparisons at this level.</p>
<p>no kidding...HYP are excellent (and different) schools. Trying to determine the "overall" best is a bit pointless.</p>
<p>i think the only ppl that have to worry about which school is better are the ppl that get into all three (HYP)....as for the rest of the 99.9999999% of the US population that DOESNT get into all three, we can let those losers who do worry 'bout it ;)</p>
<p>Haha, slim. good call. And while I somewhat agree with slimlic, I don't think whether someone is going to attend H, Y, or P (or any other school) will be based on ridiculous numbers like admit rate, yield, endowment, etc. Whether or not they should attend one or the other should be based upon specific departmental strength (in whatever someone wants to study), location (Princeton, Boston, and New Haven are three completely different locales), and other miscellaneous points such as residential experience, faculty notables, study abroad opportunities, career/internship opportunities, etc. The other stuff is inconsequential to the undergraduate experience.</p>
<p>Great in theory, philntex, but before you start enjoying the location, testing the strength of the economics department, hobnobing with the faculty notables, taking a semester abroad, etc., etc. ... you gotta get IN! </p>
<p>And in order to maximize your chances of getting into the school of your dreams - or even the safety of your choice - you have to pay close attention to those "ridiculous numbers."</p>
<p>haha alphadcd =D i think it is pretty much agreed across the boards that no one appreciates breeze's comments. he likes conflict which is just interesting to read but annoying nonetheless</p>
<p>Hnmmmph. ;)</p>
<p>EDIT: Well, I never!</p>
<p>To admit rate, yield, endowment, etc.? I hardly think so. Those are fixed factors (or simply unrelated to deciding whether or not to apply to a college) when you apply to a school. They are what they are: beyond an applicant's control. I also disagree that those things (location, departmental strength, etc.) shouldn't be considered right off; that is, after all, how you're supposed to set your college list in the beginning, no? However, I will agree that you can probably save the in-depth research (especially on specific academic features) until after getting in. No need to count the chickens before they've hatched, or so those cliche-ridden cartoon characters say. I say do your best and then just see because in reality, that's all you can do. Nothing more, and hopefully nothing less.</p>
<p>"From my perspective, it's HYP. The fall from there is dramatic, far more than not getting into your first choice among those three. (IE, you wanted H but got into P only, not so bad; having to go to Brown/Dartmout/Columbia much worse than not getting into P)"</p>
<p>Whoa. I find this post to be absolutely ridiculous ... so many of your preoccupations with abstract notions of prestige, reputation, and selectivity are absolutely absurd and banal. Harvard, Yale and Princeton are all incredible schools that offer wonderful scholastic and social opportunities to undergraduates. But to obsessively fret and toil about their standings in relation to one another seems to be rather illogical; the three are separate entities of each other, and their your attraction to them should be entirely independent of whether they are "ranked" 1, 2, or 3. Who really cares?</p>
<p>Though Harvard, Yale and Princeton are undoubtedly fantastic schools, it is imprudent and haughty to say that "the fall from there is dramatic." According to who, and to what standars, is this true? I think that picking a college based on an obscure grouping of three celebrated schools is supercilious. I've been accepted ED into an Ivy League institution, and by no means do I feel like I am "settling" by not going to Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, wherever. The whole point about picking a college is not to find the most prestigious college that will grant you acceptance, but to choose based on personal preferences, passions, goals, character traits, etc. Stop obsessing over what school has the highest yield, lowest acceptance, most sexually active students, etc., and instead focus on other aspects of college life that actually matter to you and affect your own experience.</p>
<p>it is definitely HYP. Princeton, as everyone knows, has some of the most incredibly brilliant students out there. It is synonymous with "excellence".</p>