Is it ok if I skip college?

<p>Sithra-</p>

<p>I think you are making a major mistake, one that many people make, and that is that they see themselves as this really bright person, capable of doing anything, and they think that is going to be obvious to anyone who meets them. The problem is the world doesn’t look like that, groups like Mensa and such have quite a few people who measure off the charts intellectually and basically have done little with their lives. I recommend picking up a copy of Malcolm Gladwell’s book “Outliers” to see what makes people fly, an attributes like you give yourself are simply not enough. </p>

<p>And yes, fortunately or unfortunately, a college degree is more and more the entry level to most well paying jobs and because of the way things are going, not having a degree, even with specific training, is going to hurt an applicant competing against those who have gone to school, for most jobs you apply for you will be competing with others, and not having that degree is often an instant way someone is weeded out, take it from me.</p>

<p>More importantly, college is a lot more then a piece of paper, want to know what having gone to college means?</p>

<p>-It demonstrates a quality you say you already possess, the ability to do anything you set your mind to. When you go to college you take courses outside a major area, there are core requirements and such, which demonstrates you can do more.</p>

<p>-Going to college demonstrates the ability to be on your own and be responsible, if you come out with a degree with good grades, you show you can hump it, do the work, etc</p>

<p>-Going to college also gives you experience being around a lot of different people, something that is true in the workforce as well, it is a very different world then high school.</p>

<p>-And it is interesting you are saying college is boring, while I agree with large parts of going to college can be boring, having to listen to some boring idiot drone on about the symbolic meaning of Ulysses journey could put anyone to sleep. But want to know something? People hiring have been to college, and being able to handle the stuff you don’t like to do is as important as the stuff you like to do. Ask anyone on this board, no matter what their job is, and there are elements of their job they could do without, boring meetings, idiotic paperwork, dealing with bureacratic idiocy (ever read Dilbert? It may be humorous, but it often true), but things you have to do in any job. Think you are going to interview for a job, and say “oh, I will work for you, but you know, writing memos is boring, writing reports is boring, so I would rather not do that?”. </p>

<p>Quite honestly, what college is besides learning skills, it also is a part of the maturation process, it is a transition from the bubble that is high school to more of the real world, and that is nothing to sneeze at, in college, for example, if you were always near the head of the pack growing up, you are going to be introduced to the humbling concept that there are more then a few people out there smarter then yourself, more easily able to learn, and that is going to be true going forward, and that is very important. From the tone of your post, I get the impression that you feel like you know enough, or can learn enough, to do any job without college, that you are already “there”, and one of the things college does is give you the perspective of where you really are. Wisdom is often knowing what you don’t know, or as Socrates said, “If I am to be considered a wise man, it is simply because I know that I know nothing”. </p>

<p>Have people skipped college and done incredible things? Sure, but they are outliers of outliers, guy who headed a company I worked for got into Yale Law School without a college degree, but think that is easy? The point being, that why make your path any more difficult then it already probably will be, why put yourself through all the extra hoops? And if college is boring, maybe you need to ask yourself why it is boring. Are you in a program that doesn’t challenge you? Are you taking courses that seem idiotic? (core courses can seem like that, I know only too well). Maybe you need to pick better courses, move into a more challenging area…which is another thing college can be good for, figuring out what the heck you really want to do.</p>

<p>It does do that but there are a lot of enjoyable aspects as well as learning aspects to college.</p>

<p>My son presented his research project tonight in class along with other presenters. He found that some of the other presenters didn’t actually bring their projects to the expected conclusion. When you do research, you don’t necessarily know what you’re going to find. In some cases what you were looking for isn’t there or what you were expecting didn’t pan out. But we learn something new, even if we go down a dead end because that’s something that someone else won’t have to try.</p>

<p>There are lots of aspects to college and what it can do for you. The employment part is one aspect. Perhaps the most important to most people that go to college.</p>

<p>Sithra, not everyone needs college. Figure out what you want to do, and figure out a path toward your goal. If you can find a path that doesn’t involve college, go for it. If it later turns out that you need college, you can go then, and perhaps you’ll be more mature and more motivated to succeed. </p>

<p>I don’t think there’a anything more the good folks on this thread can tell you. If you don’t want to go to college right now, then go out and find a job. If it turns out you were right and you don’t need college to get a satisfying job, more power to you. If you’re wrong, go back to college.</p>

<p>Joel on Software has a funny take on boring classes:</p>

<p>Why should I, as an employer looking for software developers, care about what grade you got in European History? After all, history is boring. Oh, so, you’re saying I should hire you because you don’t work very hard when the work is boring? Well, there’s boring stuff in programming, too. Every job has its boring moments. And I don’t want to hire people that only want to do the fun stuff.</p>

<p>I took this course in college called Cultural Anthropology because I figured, what the heck, I need to learn something about anthropology, and this looked like an interesting survey course.</p>

<p>Interesting? Not even close! I had to read these incredibly monotonous books about Indians in the Brazilian rain forest and Trobriand Islanders, who, with all due respect, are not very interesting to me. At some point, the class was so incredibly wearisome that I longed for something more exciting, like watching grass grow. I had completely lost interest in the subject matter. Completely, and thoroughly. My eyes teared I was so tired of the endless discussions of piling up yams. I don’t know why the Trobriand Islanders spend so much time piling up yams, I can’t remember any more, it’s incredibly boring, but It Was Going To Be On The Midterm, so I plowed through it. I eventually decided that Cultural Anthropology was going to be my Boredom Gauntlet: my personal obstacle course of tedium. If I could get an A in a class where the tests required me to learn all about potlatch blankets, I could handle anything, no matter how boring. The next time I accidentally get stuck in Lincoln Center sitting through all 18 hours of Wagner’s Ring Cycle, I could thank my studies of the Kwakiutl for making it seem pleasant by comparison.</p>

<p>I got an A. And if I could do it, you can do it.</p>

<p>[Advice</a> for Computer Science College Students - Joel on Software](<a href=“http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/CollegeAdvice.html]Advice”>Advice for Computer Science College Students – Joel on Software)</p>

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<p>Yes, that has been said numerous times on this thread. Bravo to you for picking up on it.</p>

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<p>OK, I’ll go out on a limb and agree with you (to a certain extent). I think that for you, right now, college might very well be a waste. </p>

<p>It sounds like you could probably benefit from a few years out there in the world, hacking your own way, finding out what you want. College will be there for you eventually - or perhaps some other avenue. You may find that what you now perceive as “hoops” are actually opportunities for you to learn how to produce value. Sooner or later, you’ll hit on something to pursue.</p>

<p>One thought, however: While you’re thinking about what to do, be sure to grab a job that pulls in some reasonable cash - construction, waiting tables in a nice place, or perhaps an apprentice in a trade (where you could learn to really make serious money). Don’t settle for Starbucks; you could do that with a worthless college degree, the kind of “stupid piece of paper” that so many college graduates do wind up with. You’re quite correct to view that with skepticism, by the way.</p>

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Don’t deliver pizzas. Wait tables. You can earn a ton waiting tables in the right place.</p>

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That wouldn’t be enough reason for me to get a college degree. I would insist on valuable content, and I tell my kids the same thing.</p>

<p>Lots of people get college degrees, and guess what - many of them aren’t really college degrees in any meaningful sense, but are actually the “stupid pieces of paper” that you correctly perceived. Don’t waste your time (and money) on remedial high school or a puff major.</p>

<p>Once you’re ready, go for skills.</p>

<p>“I don’t think there’a anything more the good folks on this thread can tell you.”</p>

<p>Could you tell me what contributes most to your success? Is it being in the right place at the right time, being good at what you do, is it going to college, is it being knowledgeable, knowing the right people, etc.</p>

<p>“I would insist on valuable content, and I tell my kids the same thing.”</p>

<p>That’s where I have the most trouble. Ten or twenty years ago I probably would have agreed with the concept of college- you go to learn some valuable information that would make you immediately employable. Colleges had a monopoly on the information and the limited supply of graduates ensured employment. Now colleges do not have a monopoly on information. If I am interested in a certain course available at my college I can take it there and have it taught to me by a knowledgeable professor, but if I really wanted to I could just search the internet. It would then seem we are learning how to build propeller planes in an age of jet turbines. Correct me if I am wrong, though, I am just a stupid ignorant kid.</p>

<p>So what do you do now? I thought you said you were no longer in college. If so, then do you have a job?</p>

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<p>My success?</p>

<p>Working hard at what I love and do. I was recruited after a year in
college for a programming job. I had started programming around 13
(harder to do back in the 1970s because computers were hard to come
by) and taught myself quite a bit. I’ve had a ton of opportunities
at a bunch of companies but those opportunities came about because
I was prepared and others saw that I was prepared.</p>

<p>Luck. Being in the right place at the right time with the right
skills, and attitude. “Chance favors the prepared mind.”</p>

<p>Good peer group - work with a bunch of high-performing and interesting
people. Be a high-performing and interesting person. Set high standards
for yourself.</p>

<p>Good communications skills. I took several communications courses in
college and spent five years in a public speach club. Organizations
reward good communication skills.</p>

<p>Health. You can’t do a lot of the above if you are held back by health
problems. Take care of your mental and physical health to the best of
your ability.</p>

<p>There’s other stuff too but I have to cook breakfast and get ready
to head out.</p>

<p>I also suggest you read “Outliers.”</p>

<p>Success requires intelligence AND drive AND education AND opportunity AND hard work AND some luck.</p>

<p>I have not read the whole thread but it sounds like the OP does not want to continue college because it’s boring and unpleasant. The same will be true at any job - You won’t be a good worker if you resist doing parts of the job that you deem “useless”. I’m also wondering that if you can’t get motivated to finish your degree, then perhaps depression is an issue. I suggest talking this over with a counselor at the college.</p>

<p>College isn’t like searching the internet.</p>

<p>College means you have deadlines (like in the real world) and that handing something in on Friday when it was due Thursday is “my bad”- there are consequences, you will be dinged points. College means that citing your sources is the difference between plagiarism and academic integrity. College means learning to use more than Wikipedia- you have to have an original idea which you then need to support with primary sources.</p>

<p>College means demonstrating both depth (a major) and breadth (everything else you take.) College means that someone who is not mommy or daddy can attest to your mastery of knowledge in an area not tied to your daily living or personal experience. College means that unlike sitting in your room reading books that interest you (a very noble activity) you had to argue and defend and discuss those books with people who may not agree with you.</p>

<p>College means having to perform well on inadequate sleep sometimes. (Like in the real world). Or having to show up at a lab at 8 am when you’d rather be in bed, or attend a seminar at 5 pm when your friends are all hanging out drinking espresso. And remembering some obscure facts which matter in the real world (50 mg and 500 mg are not the same thing).</p>

<p>My company hires lots and lots of new college grads. Although we find some universities to be very efficient “sorting devices” for us, we don’t rely on the degree as “just a piece of paper”. For some roles we actually administer tests (math, verbal, editing/writing); for others we rely on knowledge based and reasoning based interviews. Could someone pass without a college degree? Of course. Do we want to invest thousands of hours interviewing and testing kids without degrees so we can find the outlier who manages to demonstrate the skills and experience we need even without college? No- time is money.</p>

<p>OP- I think you are correct in your assessment that college is a waste for you. Better to go back in a few years when you can take advantage of the opportunity, than fill a seat right now.</p>

<p>Were you in my class this year? You know, the kid who rolled his eyes, who let me know how tedious and unnecessary my class was, who wasn’t challenged, who was so much smarter than all the other students? And when I told you to prove it, to ace the test and show me you already knew the material or could learn it on your own, just couldn’t deliver? </p>

<p>You’re in my class every year. Some years, you bring your siblings. This college business is all meaningless, a waste of your time, you can learn on your own because you are so bright and so special. Guess when the big purple dinosaur talked, you took it to heart. </p>

<p>I see a lot of pain in your posts. You may get indignant with me, but you’re not the first kid to realize college messed with your perception of yourself as super creative and highly intelligent and a step above the rest of the general populace. If you need a break, take one. Go see if you can excel in some work environment without a formal education. It’s been done before.</p>

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<p>Don’t be silly. Showing that you know the material on a test is just “jumping through hoops.” (/sarcasm)</p>

<p>Interesting topic…and I do see OP point. I received a business degree from Big Ten school about 25 years ago and honestly can’t remember one class I took besides the elective Indians of North America…found that quite interesting. Banking, finance, marketing classes, don’t remember at all. I was in the investment field for a short while and hated it, couldn’t think of anything more boring than wearing a suit and tie and going to an office all day …yuck. </p>

<p>My girlfriend at the time(current wife) was in retail sales after college and also hated it. We decided to start a nursery, grew every year and we never looked back. Outside all day, kids by our side every minute at the greenhouses from infants to now teenagers helping out when they can during school time and summers with their friends. Looking back, we feel darn lucky to have been able to spend so much time with our kids now that 1 is now a Jr. and looking at colleges. I have mixed emotions if paying $400k is worth it for our 2 kids seeing that I really did not need a college degree. I do realize, however that many doors will be shut without that degree.</p>

<p>Just going away from home and realizing there is more out there than your home town is maybe more important to many than the degree itself. I see so many “townies” here in my town…nice people, sincere, honest, but live in a little bubble. I want my kids to be more worldly… but then again, if those people are happy, who am I to look down on them? Just a nursery guy with a college degree…lol</p>

<p>OP, you should read blossom’s post #93 carefully, and then re-read it as many times as necessary for it to really sink in. It’s the best answer in this thread.</p>

<p>Geeps, totally out of curiosity - would having had a degree in (say) horticulture or landscape architecture, or from another perspective, accounting / finance / business have helped with your company’s startup or growth? Congrats on being a successful small business owner, BTW.</p>

<p>Also, OP, there’s nothing wrong with taking some time off from college to get a break from academics and to help figure out what you want to do with your life. </p>

<p>I did that after freshman year of college. (This was many years ago.) I worked as an assistant bookkeeper in an insurance company. I actually enjoyed that year, because it was less stressful than college; when the workday was over, I was free to relax and have fun, with no homework hanging over my head. </p>

<p>But by the end of the year, I was really looking forward to going back to school. I knew I didn’t want to be a bookkeeper for the rest of my life (although I wouldn’t criticize someone for making that choice), and I missed classes, which were often actually very interesting.</p>

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<p>Sure, it is okay to skip college. Lots of people do not go to college. Don’t go if you don’t want to.</p>

<p>You should look at the Bureau of Labor Statistics web site.</p>

<p>[U.S&lt;/a&gt;. Bureau of Labor Statistics](<a href=“http://www.bls.gov/]U.S”>http://www.bls.gov/)</p>

<p>The Occupational Outlook Handbook contains information about the education and training needed for various jobs.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.bls.gov/oco/[/url]”>http://www.bls.gov/oco/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>In particular take a look at the following table of the fastest growing occupations.</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_103.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bls.gov/emp/ep_table_103.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Note that the following growing occupations do not require a college degree: home health aide, personal and home care aide, physical therapist aide, dental assistant, medical assistant, occupational therapist aide. All of these occupations require either short-term or moderate-term on-the-job-training.</p>