<p>Also, would admissions officers also look down upon someone who received a 770 on the Spanish SAT II without having high scores on the regular SAT's?</p>
<p>Yes it is possible to get into the Ivy Leagues with an SAT score lower than 2000, in the sense that it must have happened a few times. But it remains exceptional. In a given year, maybe one or two outstanding candidates who have special circumstances are able to persuade admissions to look beyond their low SAT scores. </p>
<p>Someone who received a 770 on the Spanish SAT II is someone who speaks Spanish fluently. Why would anyone look down upon them? But I don’t think this high score helps the person in any way. It just shows they speak the language well, that’s all. No proof of effort, good work etc.</p>
<p>Re-read the replies to your earlier and very similar thread</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1491743-how-do-some-students-low-gpas-sat-scores-get-into-ivy-league-schools.html#post15807268[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1491743-how-do-some-students-low-gpas-sat-scores-get-into-ivy-league-schools.html#post15807268</a></p>
<p>Are you 6’ 5", weigh 310 pounds, and run the 40 in under 5 seconds?</p>
<p>^ Great comment.</p>
<p>When I read this kind of thread, my first thought is always “why would you want to?”</p>
<p>I am confident that Sasha Obama could be admitted to any Ivy League school with an SAT well below 2000. If you could only get adopted you’d be set, but I would guess POTUS is pretty busy for the next couple years.</p>
<p>Mastery of a single subject, especially a foreign language, reflected in the SAT II does little, if anything, to mitigate low scores.</p>
<p>T2, This question is about how someone would perceive someone who has an SAT Spanish subject score higher than the regular SAT scores and if it would lower or increase the chances of admission. The other question was about how some students who have low scores along with a low GPA are accepted over others who do not.</p>
<p>“how someone would perceive someone who has an SAT Spanish subject score higher than the regular SAT scores and if it would lower or increase the chances of admission.”</p>
<p>Don’t worry about it. Congrats on the SAT Spanish.</p>
<p>“The other question was about how some students who have low scores along with a low GPA are accepted over others who do not.”</p>
<p>Lynper: in the thread I reposted of yours in post #3, you were given several answers in March. They still hold true. Colleges don’t solely put everyone on an excel spreadsheet and take the top 1000 based on GPA/SAT. What was unclear?</p>
<p>Are you a recruited Athlete?
Did you family donate a large amount of money?
Are you an URM?
Did you mother or father attend the university?
Does your mother or father work at the university?
Are you famous?</p>
<p>If not the chances are very, very slim.</p>
<p>^And even if you are, there is no guarantee of admissions. </p>
<p>OP, if you want to know if it’s possible, go to the CDSs of schools. While the data is given by section rather than total, the answer is pretty clear. </p>
<p>A 770 shows that you’re proficient in HS Spanish, that’s all. I personally wouldn’t say it proves fluency, competency perhaps.</p>
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<p>That’s the wrong question. The typical unhooked acceptee to an Ivy has 700’s across the board – most are 750+; thus, it would be extremely are for unhooked acceptees have a high Spanish score and low (<700) SAT scores, so the question is moot. </p>
<p>Once one clears the 750 threshold, adcoms do not parse individual tests. A 770 and 750 are statistically equivalent, particularly since the applicant and pick and choose which subject test to take. A high Spanish score is no better/worse than a high French score or high US History score.</p>
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<p>They bring a very LARGE hook.</p>
<p>Some art majors with very fine portfolios, great grades, glowing rec letters, and standout essays get into Ivies with sub-2000 scores.</p>
<p>Of course it is “possible” to get into the Ivy Leagues with less than a 2000 and no hooks. I was accepted to Ivies, as well as Stanford and MIT, with a SAT below this range and without and being a hook (my SAT was split as 800 math/math II, with low verbal). One can also find a few more examples in the decision threads of this site. Navience, Cappex, and similar keep track of SAT vs acceptances and show lower numbers than 2000, particularly for the least selective ivies. For example, Cornell has quite a few admits at under 1700. However, “possible” is very different from saying it’s likely. It’s not likely unless you really excel in other parts of your app (or have a big hook), enough to make admissions overlook the test scores. </p>
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</a> shows chance of acceptance by SAT percentile at some selective schools. It shows that at Princeton and Harvard, there was a point were chance of acceptance was essentially 0, which was at ~88th percentile in this 2004 study by Christopher Avery of Harvard (A Revealed Preference Ranking of U.S. Colleges and Universities). The specific limits are likely higher today. It’s also interesting to note that chance of acceptance only continually increased with SAT score at MIT. Harvard essentially flatlined with an even chance of acceptance for 93-97th percentile. And Princeton had a greater chance of acceptance at 90-96th percentile than 97-98th percentile. The author concluded Princeton was trying to increase yield by favoring students who were less likely to be admitted to colleges that are typically chosen over Princeton, such as Harvard/Yale/Stanford. Princeton is far from the only school that has tried to manipulate yield like this.</p>
<p>A question I rarely see: if you have less than stellar grades and a SAT under 2000, how do you think you would do at an Ivy? Would you suddenly get As and fewer Bs? I would think that students would want to go to college where they have a chance to stand out, get the professor’s attention (and not in a bad way), and benefit from the additional positive attention. The students at these schools study very hard and they’re very good at that. Being a mediocre student at an Ivy is just being a mediocre student. </p>
<p>I know that people say things about having a better network which leads to jobs. That is true but only if you’re doing well among your peers because there are students all around you in that Ivy who have better grades and the professor’s recommendation.</p>
<p>I’m not saying that if kids with great essays and/or interviews and/or glowing recommendations with off day SAT/ACT scores should be rejected. I’m saying that Ivies tend to reject students who have not shown themselves in some way the ability to succeed at their college.</p>
<p>I am learning through my own kids and through others we know that there are exceptions to every rule. Is it the norm? I dont think so…but certainly I am sure its done, think it also largely depends on how much you “shine” in other areas.</p>