Is it worth it to pursue athletic scholarships?

I thought this was an interesting article about the promise of athletic recruitment vs. the odds of being awarded an athletic scholarship that actually covers a significant amount of tuition. (From the article: " fewer than 2% of high school student-athletes are offered athletic scholarships") It also talks about students who says they were scammed by recruiting services that reached out early in high school with promises of helping them get recruited. What do you all think? Anyone have experience with this?

Chasing Athletic Scholarship Dreams Can Be a Costly Mistake | Kiplinger

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There is some wisdom in there, although there is some inaccurate and misleading information as well. There is a big area between getting a generic form letter and getting an offer when you are definitely being actively recruited. The 2 examples given at the start of the article probably have a lot better than a 1% chance at a very good scholarship, even if it’s not technically a “full ride.” I’m sure the average athlete on scholarship isn’t paying $60,000+ at Syracuse. D3 and Ivy recruiting was only talked about in extremely vague terms of need and merit based aid, not in a way that a parent reading this article would understand what that really means. And for many looking at those schools, a scholarship isn’t the goal, it’s an admission ticket into a school that otherwise your 4.0/1600 student isn’t even a coin flip to get into. Several other little things like that.

In general it was more accurate than I expected, but there were plenty of almost but not completely accurate oversimplifications, and you could tell the article was written by someone who did some research but who is not actually very familiar with the process. Parents spending a couple hours reading through this board, and asking a few questions, will be in a far more knowledgable spot than ones who read this article and take it all at face value.

As far as recruiting services, the advice given here is that the recruiting services are generally unnecessary, which is what the article says. They are good if you just don’t want to do the work yourself and would rather pay someone to do it, and if you really aren’t picky and want to get in front of as many schools as possible. So you are fine with a random small school in Florida, or a different one in Oregon. In common sports where there are a ton of programs you may get in front of more programs that way. Of course all of that is predicated on it being a quality service that is actually doing work for you. I’m not sure what percentage of them are really like that. We didn’t see the need personally, so using advice from this board (and a lot of hard work, both in the recruiting process and for a decade leading into that working at his sport) S19 was able to land at his “dream school.”

I think there are a lot of “recruitable” HS athetes who just don’t have that goal, and never did.

With S19, we always knew playing in college was a possibility, and something he wanted. He probably would have gone to the local D2 school as a practice room guy for a few dollars if he had no other options, although as it turned out he was one of the lucky few who had a very extensive set of options and was kind of in the driver’s seat when it came time to talk to coaches.

With D21, it was also a possibility, and I tried to make sure she kept those options open. But it was never really her goal, and I knew from the beginning that the money being spent on training and travel teams was probably not going to lead to a college scholarship, or even playing at all. She ultimately would have been a very recruitable D3 player at a high level academic school, or probably a middle of the road D2 player who was mostly on academic scholarship with a few dollars thrown in from the athletic department so she could say she was “on scholarship.” But it wasn’t her goal, so we didn’t pursue the opportunity.

There is a bit of an implication in the article that we “wasted money chasing a scholarship” with her, but we didn’t. She got a lot out of it, and I got my money’s worth by getting a confident young woman who knew how to face and overcome challenges out of the experience, not by getting a scholarship. THAT was always the goal.

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We had a really good experience with athletic recruiting and getting funds to pay for college. My daughter could have used her sport to get into some top private LACs (no money), but she really preferred an engineering school so took the athletic money, the merit money offered by the school, and some other grants to make it work. Could she have gone to a top D1 program and received a big scholarship? Nope, but by using the merit money and the athletic scholarship, it was pretty close to a full ride to a D2 school.

Did I spend big bucks for club teams and travel and equipment? Nope again. I paid for her sport as I paid for her and her sister’s ECs, for music lessons and girl scouts and the trip to France - I thought it was part of their education. There are parents who pay huge bucks for sports, but others who pay huge bucks for music lessons, ballet lessons, robotics teams, horseback riding, summer camps. Having kids costs money. Don’t spend money that should be put in a college savings account

The story is a little misleading. If you put 100 football and basketball players at the top level in a room, more than 1 will get a full scholarship IF the they are the best in their state, want a D1 top tier school, and want to play in college. What hs athletes who want to play in college aren’t getting scholarships? Those who go to an Ivy, to a service academy, to a D3 school. They might get into a school with a recruiting boost, get a partial scholarship that stacks with a merit scholarship, get other perks like priority registration for courses. The 2% who get scholarships are from ALL high school athletes and all colleges, so apples and oranges. If you are on the third string of the basketball team from an average high school, no, you probably aren’t getting a D1 scholarship, but from my old high school, a few years ago I think it was 5 seniors who got D1 scholarships (those would be FULL) because they’d won the state championship 3 years in a row.

$2 BILLION in scholarships for college athletes? Sure, we’ll take some of that (and we did!)

The article seems to be saying their is little hope of a scholarship, and I don’t agree with that. My daughter wasn’t a top tier athlete, but we looked at schools she wanted to attend, figured out where she could parlay her academic and athletic talents, where she could get some grants, and focused on those. Be realistic. This summer she played in a tournament against the best of the best USA players of the last ~10 years. She was NOT in their league. They really are amazing players. But they were 20 players (and most are professionals now) out of tens of thousands of players from US colleges who played, on scholarship, during those 10 years.

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If the author’s central point is that dreaming of a college scholarship is not a great financial plan to pay for college, I agree.

But plenty of talented athletes do end up paying for college that way. Or end up with better options than they’d have without athletic recruiting. It’s just that most HS athletes aren’t at that level. The key is not assuming you are if you aren’t.

Most of the parents of serious youth athletes I know are putting time and energy into a passion the kids have not because of expectations of scholarships but for other reasons.

I don’t think the article is of much use to those with seriously recruitable athletes. It might be a good caution for parents who think barely making varsity is the first step to financing a college education through athletics though.

Any recruiting and college funding article these days that doesn’t mention NIL changes is seriously missing the mark. There are entire programs being built in some sports with NIL playing a bigger role than NCAA scholarship limits.

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Those parents wouldn’t believe the warning. If they think their child is getting a scholarship, this article is not going to dissuade them. Hopefully, some coach will guide them to a school where they can get an athletic scholarship if that’s what they really want. It’s not going to be a football scholarship to ND or Alabama, but maybe at a D2 or at a lower ranked D1. I used to watch Last Chance U, and those kids needed the scholarships to go to college at all.

For women, there are sometimes scholarships available at schools where Title IX is in play. My daughter was recruited by Presbyterian and the coach told me the women’s programs had lots of money because they had to offset the football scholarships. Now Presbyterian is in the Pioneer league so no more football scholarships. The school she went to also had football so she benefited by getting a larger scholarship than the AD really wanted to give the female teams. Alas, that football program is gone too.

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That brings up a good point. One of the first things that I frequently suggest to parents asking for recruiting advice (and I am not alone is suggesting this) is to get some unbiased and honest assessment at where your kid would fit into college athletics, if at all.

TLDR: I give a couple of examples below but essentially the above paragraph says it all. But since I typed it all out I’m going to leave it here.

Usually parents over project where their kid will end up. I’ve seen it many times. I’ve told this story many times, but I did the opposite. S19’s HS and club coaches who both had recent college coaching experience and were very aware of the level of athletes on different levels could see his ultimate landing spot a couple years sooner than I did. I thought they were smoking crack when they both said he should be targeting the top 1/2 of D1. He was still losing to some guys headed to D2 at the time. When he ended up verbally committing he had offers from 3 top 10 D1 programs on the table.

Less than 2 years earlier I took him to visit Williams, because I thought he was going to be a practice room guy at best at a middle of the road D1 school, and would be better off going D3, or to a D1 school with a less successful program. A mutual friend later told me that S19’s club coach correctly predicted the exact school he would end up at about a year before that college even started recruiting him. But the club coach could see where he was going to fit in talent-wise and style-wise, and he correctly predicted that the school would come after him hard once he hit the next level and made it onto their radar, which was 100% accurate.

In his case, they knew how coachable he was and could see the untapped potential, both physically and skill-wise. They projected out his grown from the last couple years to where he should be by the time recruiting really picked up. They weren’t looking at how good he was today, but at how good they thought he would be when the college coaches started actually paying attention. Conversely they also could predict some kids the other way, they were great as freshmen, and were going to have an outstanding HS career. But not one that would translate well to college.

My daughter played soccer with a girl like that, her parents thought she would be D1, but she ended up NAIA because while her play lit up HS girls, none of the college coaches thought it would translate well on the NCAA level. Girls playing behind her ended up on more competitive college teams.

Bottom line: Don’t evaluate your own kid. You are too close to the situation. Talk to someone who knows the sport really well on the college level, and who will be brutally honest with you.

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In my mind, recruiting for D1 football & basketball is in a completely different realm than most other sports, particularly women’s sports.

We had a similar experience to @dadof4kids. D21 enjoyed playing her sport competitively but had no desire to be a college athlete, despite generating interest from a couple of colleges. The only way we could get on a competitive team was to go the travel/tournament route. Right around age 16 they were on to her, that she didn’t want to pursue college recruitment, and it became hard to find any competitive teams that would take her because they only wanted girls who would entertain recruiting interest/offers, allowing them the ability to brag on their social media, and get more players to sign up and spend $$$$ with their organization. We didn’t spend crazy money but like @dadof4kids the benefits of playing with a team and overcoming challenges is a worthwhile life lesson. We knew many families who did spend crazy money traveling to $$$ college “camps” in the off-season. Her sport is also one where scholarship money has to be split amongst a team. No full rides.

This stuck out to me from the article:

  • Is the school a fit? Would the student want to attend this school if they couldn’t be on the team? Does it have a strong program in your athlete’s field of study? What is the overall culture at the school? Is the geographic location one the athlete is happy with? If your athlete doesn’t love the school — even with a large scholarship — it could cost more in the end if they decide to transfer to a school that is a better fit.

That was my D’s take on this process. She wanted to pick a college based on it being the best fit for her, without the pressure of having to pick based on athletic offers. Looking at her sport, in our area of the country, most of the recruited athletes end up at small D3 colleges in that I’d have to Google. Granted, there have been a select few over the years who have gone to Duke, Harvard, Virginia, Villanova & VT - and to those colleges I would be more willing to be onboard, if my D was truly and deeply 100% committed to be a D1 athlete and the money was right (which it likely wouldn’t be). Several of D21’s teammates from over the years spent their freshman years at the smaller D3 colleges and have since transferred out, to the college they really wanted to go to if not for the sport. On the other hand, she has friends in other sports who are thriving where they accepted their offers.

I’ve also read enough articles about (alleged) mistreatment of athletes in my daughter’s sport at some notable programs, and the tragic deaths of college athletes in general who are under a lot of pressure for a variety of reasons, and I am grateful overall that D did not choose that route.

I wonder if my son, who was a D1 recruited athlete, but never set foot on a high school field for his sport due to contractual limitations, would be included in their numbers? His club team alone had 10 recruited D1 athletes that didn’t play for their high schools at all.

Good point. Both scholarships, and recruiting can vary significantly between sports, and of course between divisions, schools/conferences, women’s vs. men’s, etc.
There is also a lot of misinformation thrown around with the general athletic public between actual athletic scholarship, recruiting but no-athletic scholarship and depending on the school there may be no admittance help given or needed for the recruit for that particular school, and then merit scholarship.
Some D3 or D2 schools use the merit scholarship as a way to show a discount off of the full price of the school cost to be more attractive to prospective students and recruited athletes.
Sometimes I feel that this misinformation is somewhat deliberate as some parents may like to give the impression that their kid was recruited and wanted by a particular school/coach, so they chose that school as it came up with money for their kid/athlete disguised as merit money.

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All. The. Time.

It’s pretty easy to find threads on here were someone is insistent they know someone on athletic scholarship to an Ivy or D3. When you tell them that’s not possible they say it is, wink wink. They think that because their friend (the parent) either outright lied, or more likely said something intentionally misleading and then let the misunderstanding go uncorrected.

Grandparents are also an issue. I’ve told my father in law a dozen times that S19’s school doesn’t give athletic scholarships, but they have crazy good need based aid which we get even though at many schools we would get nothing. He didn’t get a scholarship, he got an admittance ticket to a place that routinely turns away 4.0/1600 kids. It doesn’t sink in.

I have a friend that likes to tell everyone his son is on an athletic scholarship to a D1 school. Which I’m sure is technically true, but he’s a permanent backup on one of the worst teams in D1, I don’t know if they even use their full allocation of scholarships. He’s probably getting $2000 a year at a $70,000 school. But the uneducated they think he’s on a full ride.

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In our experience there is a great divide in the knowledge and perspective of parents with kids that are high school athletes seeking to go to the next level. The vast majority of people on this website view athletics primarily as a tool to get into a higher quality college and as an overall enhancing experience. Any monetary support is icing on the cake and athletic money really is irrelevant for D3’s and Ivies. Almost no one here expects athletics to lead to a lucrative career

What we saw though in our kids’ 2 sports, softball and baseball, which attract a lot of blue collar families, but which are not cheap, was a lot of ill informed parents. Many seemed unaware that these sports were equivalency sports or that scholarships were only good for 1 year. While it made sense and I applaud them for seeing sports as a way to college, they really had not thought it all the way through in terms of cost/benefit/long term goals. Many of our kids’ teammates were URM’s, and if they spent a portion of the time and money they spent on their sport on academic enhancement, a lot more affordable college opportunities would have been available. I tried to explain these dynamics to several families who politely turned deaf ears. Unfortunately we see the resulting outcomes. From a team that went to the state championships in the largest school division, we had 8 go on to the next level, including D1, D2, D3, NAIA and Jr college. Only 4 played all 4 years with only 3 playing for the same school. Many of these girls dropped out within 2 years because they were not academically ready. The girl played who 4 years at multiple schools became academically ineligible at her D1, had to go to Jr college and then ended up at the local D2. The other girl who played D1 only lasted 2 seasons. I had tried to convince her parents to look at D3 (and specifically my D’s college, lol) because I thought they would qualify for huge aid and she would dominate. She was also a good student and had ambitions of being a doctor. They chose the D1 route, imo by overestimating her ability.

To me, if you are a responsible HS coach, you should have a simple fact sheet available to parents on the realities of athletic scholarships. I think too many are either lacking the knowledge themselves or willfully ignoring it because they want their kids to be developing their skills outside of high school and are only worried about academics as it relates to eligibility.

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I just had a conversation yesterday with a parent whose son is seriously considering an offer at S19’s school. Among other things I told him what I told my son about 100 times during the recruiting process.

You are in a sport with no NFL or MLB. If you are one of the very few elite blessed by the Universe, you aren’t getting a $5,000,000 contract, you will have the opportunity to stretch out your dream and live like a poor college student until you are 30 trying to make an Olympic team, otherwise you are almost certainly retiring from your sport at 22 or 23. Then you have 40 years to make a living off of that diploma and whatever connections you made at your school.

If you want to be treated like you are special for the next five years, go to ______ (our local P5 school, which was coming after him hard, and does definitely NOT treat athletes the same as regular students). If you want to be treated like you are special for the next 40, go to one of the Ivy League schools who are also giving you offers.

Is that fair? Nope. But I see doors get opened for those kids that are not being opened for others. I think the “who you know” system is horrible. But it exists, and if you have an opportunity to move yourself into the “haves” pile from the “have nots” you are crazy to not take it.

I can see now the “special” treatment is a bit more nuanced that I realized too. At a P5 school, you are a commodity to be used up. Those perks are definitely not free. Obviously my son’s coach still tells him to do things that my son doesn’t want to. That’s his job. But compared to what I hear from others, my son is also treated a bit more as an equal on some level too. It’s more a boss/employee relationship, rather than a father/son relationship, where one party rules with an iron fist. Some of that is the personalities involved. But I think not having a scholarship to hold over the kid’s head also means you have to treat them with a bit more dignity, because their penalty from walking away isn’t nearly as high.

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I got about 1/3 of the way in and stopped reading, so I might have to eat crow here. But if the point is that you’re spending money to save money, then, ok, sure. But the point isn’t always about scholarship money. Admissions boost is the prize for many HS athletes.

Is it worth it? Hard to say. I think it depends on your kid. I have known a lot of families of children who were good but not great athletes who tried to squeeze blood out of a turnip, as the saying goes. Some of them succeeded, but my goodness the time, focus and energy it took seemed a bit much. There is perhaps some bias on my part because my two recruits very clearly had what it took physically to be recruited - they are athletes who passed the eye test (which in their sports makes the whole thing a heck of a lot easier) and, in the case of the rower, the clock test. If I had been trying to get them someplace they didn’t belong, I think, maybe, yeah, it’s arguably not worth it.

But then again, how important is the admissions piece to a given child? I mean, kids kill themselves in other ways to get in elite schools. For many, it makes more sense to focus on getting their erg or track time down or adding some incremental distance to a throw or jump than it does trying to squeeze out another few points on the SAT. Whether we like it or not, athletic recruiting is a powerful thing in admissions, and among the many athletes we know, there is more than a handful of smart, but hardly brilliant, kids playing sports in the Ivy League. Did they sacrifice more than the kid who tried to get in the old fashioned way?

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I also only read part of the article and agree with a lot of the comments on this thread. Friends with soccer, volleyball and basketball playing girls have “invested” a lot of money since an early age. A fun activity went to a passion for kids and some of the parents. A few of the families we know have admitted to spending between $20-$60K in fees and travel. Since we live in an upper income area - finances did not seem to be an issue, but all have stories of kids on the team that didn’t get the $ expected to play and parents + kids taking out loans for an education.

As the parent of a recruited crew athlete - we spent a grand total of $2500 (Covid kept costs down with missing a travel season) in high school and our child attends an Ivy as a recruited athlete. We have been told by so many people that she must NOT have been a “priority” recruit since she didn’t get $ - everyone seems to think the Ivy league gives out scholarships and everyone seems to know someone that knows someone that got a full ride to play - frustrating and we gave up trying to educate people how it all works :wink:

@cquin85 - Ha :slight_smile: Our child is brilliant, but we do know that she would have just been one of many applying without the sport bump and likely would not have been accepted into the school.

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Agree completely. That is an altogether different kettle of fish.

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That’s my kid. On a normal team, he would be the one helping his teammates with homework. On his team, he is the one seeking help. He is “regular” smart, not “elite college” brilliant.

By definition, 25% of kids are below that 25th percentile number that we know usually means it isn’t worth applying. If you want to be below that, you need to bring something special to the table. Like a parent who is a major donor. Or a 92 mph fast ball.

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Reminds me of the old “When considering where to play in college, most kids should be one level below where they think they belong and two below where their dad sees them.” It’s very good advice to get an outside voice to help shape expectations before things get messy.

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@cquin85 Most kids are neither outstanding scholars nor top athletes, so the vast majority of club sport money * should be * about enjoying the competition, the camaraderie and some measure of satisfaction from reaching your potential.

I think a big problem today is the number of kids and families that think they are extraordinary. And there’s an endless parade of people out there to take the money of those who think they’re on the verge of breaking through to… something. I mean if you’ve got the money then why not, but many students that are not that remarkable from families that don’t have a lot of money are writing checks for services that will never elevate them to D1 or even D3 levels of play. So it’s important for student athletes to get some perspective on how good you are, why you play, how long you want to keep playing and what’s important to you.

But that’s true for NARPs too: how much of your identity is drawn from your class rank, is your work moving you toward a goal or just piling up more grades, have you stepped back and really contemplated your future and career. At some point everyone needs to honestly see who they are, what they want to be and how hard they want to work to get there. That’s a huge part of what we try to do during the college years.

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